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Why do you assume that sane and common sense exceptions and nuance are off the table?
by burnished 3y ago
Why do you assume that sane and common sense exceptions and nuance are off the table?
- jhawleypeters 3y agoThe linked site speaks in absolute terms, perhaps that's where they got the idea
- burnished 3y agoThat it be licensed with an open source license, yet folk are acting like they've never heard of security clearances, or that the license will somehow supercede all of our other laws regarding document security. Then again I wouldn't be surprised if the same voices on hearing freedom of information being proposed to raise similar "but military secrets" objections that were completely divorced from reality.
- chillbill 3y agoThey don't speak in absolute terms, but in generic terms. There's an important difference between the two. The extreme doesn't define the rule.
- bombolo 3y agoIf your missiles stop being effective if the other side has access to the source code… well I got bad news. They've already obtained the source code.
- AmericanChopper 3y agoProbably because the campaign this post links to puts forward a completely un-nuanced argument, and even trivialises or brushes over most of the reasonable criticism you could make about the case it’s putting forward. I don’t know why so many activists fail to understand this. If you have a cause that you think is important, putting forward a shitty argument for it isn’t going to help in the long run.
- zmgsabst 3y agoWhy not? Governments routinely propose policies that are clearly “too far” and then “compromise” to their actual goals — eg, restrictions on civil rights. Why wouldn’t the same tactic work for activists?
- AmericanChopper 3y agoIf you’re trying to promote an idea that the public is largely disinterested in, then putting forward a strawman argument for it yourself is only going to empower its detractors.
- sam_lowry_ 3y agoThis is exactly the tactic unions always used. Probably one of the causes of unions' global demise are their overtly unreslistic campaigns.
- hnbad 3y agoI'm sure that demise has nothing to do with the change from unions literally fighting armed strike breakers on the streets to unions being heavily regulated bureaucratic entities that are on first name terms with the corporate owners that used to hire the armed strike breakers. By legalizing narrow avenues for union conduct, we have also heavily disincentivized any behavior outside those avenues. The "fat cat" union reps that live off your dues without contributing anything meaningful to your rights are ultimately an intentional creation of this de-radicalization. Incidentally the Red Scare helped quite a bit by making unions scared of seeming "too leftist" when the existence of unions itself is born out of a leftist understanding of class conflict (not "class" as in how much money you have but "class" as in whether you have to work for a living or people pay you for what you already own).
- burnished 3y agoIt isnt a shitty argument - do you think that a permissive license supersedes security clearances? I find it powerfully frustrating to see these sort of reactions where people act like the very first thing they can think of that might require nuance is this fatal flaw, or that even a robust critique represents some death blow. Critical feedback improves projects so it is bewildering to me to see people treat it as the last word.
- pjc50 3y agoBecause this is hacker news.