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That is true but since we haven’t seen M2 macs that can compete with used M1 products it is hard to justify upgrading or even purchasing. Also no follow up to t

That is true but since we haven’t seen M2 macs that can compete with used M1 products it is hard to justify upgrading or even purchasing. Also no follow up to the Mac Pro at all. It could be more like inflation is impacting Mac sales regardless.

lapcat 3y ago
> That is true but since we haven’t seen M2 macs that can compete with used M1 products it is hard to justify upgrading or even purchasing. It's not clear whether consumers do or even should distinguish between M1 and M2. > Also no follow up to the Mac Pro at all. Mac Pro sales have always been tiny portion of Mac sales and have very little effect on the big picture.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  > It's not clear whether consumers do or even should distinguish between M1 and M2. The point being if you bought the M1 during the pandemic, you now have little reason to upgrade despite it being a 2020 processor in 2023.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    This has always been true though. Desktop upgrade cycles are not that fast, and longer than smartphones. Only processor transitions such as PowerPC to Intel and Intel to Apple Silicon give a good reason to upgrade within a few years.
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      That's kind of the idea. But there are more than just instruction set transitions. The difference between the Pentium 4 and Core 2 or Bulldozer and Zen were stark. Even the Ryzen 7000 series has AVX-512, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 etc. It's frequently twice as fast as the 3000 series from 3 years earlier. The M2 isn't that kind of thing.
      - zitterbewegung 3y ago
        If the m2 came with LPDDR6 or faster and card support or something similar I would agree with you. The only new advantage for m2 that I have seen is Wi-Fi 6E and bluetooth 5.2 20 percent more efficiency and speed and an option for the MacBook Pro 14.2 and 16.2 to have 96 of ram which isn’t worth it.
      - lapcat 3y ago
        This is a Mac discussion, and you're discussing non-Mac processors. When have Macs received a massive processor upgrade in 3 years that hasn't been an architecture transition?
- re-thc 3y ago
  A lot of consumers definitely don't even know that M2 exists. Not enough marketing / differentiation.
  - josephd79 3y ago
    This. Btw I’m one of the people who purchased an M1 Pro. I upgrade every 5 years, we will see in 2027 if I need to.
- zitterbewegung 3y ago
  Many reviewers and even me looking at only a marginal improvement between the MacBook Air M1 vs M2 where you can get the MacBook Air M1 at a $200 discount at many places I would recommend the M1. The only real Mac I would recommend with an M2 is the Mac Mini. With the MacBook Pros 14.2 and 16.2 the only thing you can really get as a benefit is with 96GB of RAM which will allow you do to things like running LLMs locally or general productivity or professional video and movie editing and that's only really for the extreme high end.

lapcat 3y ago

> That is true but since we haven’t seen M2 macs that can compete with used M1 products it is hard to justify upgrading or even purchasing. It's not clear whether consumers do or even should distinguish between M1 and M2. > Also no follow up to the Mac Pro at all. Mac Pro sales have always been tiny portion of Mac sales and have very little effect on the big picture.

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> It's not clear whether consumers do or even should distinguish between M1 and M2. The point being if you bought the M1 during the pandemic, you now have little reason to upgrade despite it being a 2020 processor in 2023.
- lapcat 3y ago
  This has always been true though. Desktop upgrade cycles are not that fast, and longer than smartphones. Only processor transitions such as PowerPC to Intel and Intel to Apple Silicon give a good reason to upgrade within a few years.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    That's kind of the idea. But there are more than just instruction set transitions. The difference between the Pentium 4 and Core 2 or Bulldozer and Zen were stark. Even the Ryzen 7000 series has AVX-512, DDR5, PCIe 5.0 etc. It's frequently twice as fast as the 3000 series from 3 years earlier. The M2 isn't that kind of thing.
    - zitterbewegung 3y ago
      If the m2 came with LPDDR6 or faster and card support or something similar I would agree with you. The only new advantage for m2 that I have seen is Wi-Fi 6E and bluetooth 5.2 20 percent more efficiency and speed and an option for the MacBook Pro 14.2 and 16.2 to have 96 of ram which isn’t worth it.
    - lapcat 3y ago
      This is a Mac discussion, and you're discussing non-Mac processors. When have Macs received a massive processor upgrade in 3 years that hasn't been an architecture transition?
re-thc 3y ago
A lot of consumers definitely don't even know that M2 exists. Not enough marketing / differentiation.
- josephd79 3y ago
  This. Btw I’m one of the people who purchased an M1 Pro. I upgrade every 5 years, we will see in 2027 if I need to.
zitterbewegung 3y ago
Many reviewers and even me looking at only a marginal improvement between the MacBook Air M1 vs M2 where you can get the MacBook Air M1 at a $200 discount at many places I would recommend the M1. The only real Mac I would recommend with an M2 is the Mac Mini. With the MacBook Pros 14.2 and 16.2 the only thing you can really get as a benefit is with 96GB of RAM which will allow you do to things like running LLMs locally or general productivity or professional video and movie editing and that's only really for the extreme high end.