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That's absolutely false. You are painting the picture as if the car maker will sell you a high performance model (with all the necessary parts for performance)

That's absolutely false. You are painting the picture as if the car maker will sell you a high performance model (with all the necessary parts for performance) at a lower cost. No they will sell you that model with all their profit margin and then charge you extra monthly for the performance.

konschubert 3y ago
this is untrue in a competitive market
- lostlogin 3y ago
  And yet here we are. If they won’t compete with each other, regulation would seem the answer to this crap (as the original poster proposed).
- zymhan 3y ago
  This is often raised as a caveat when a business does something anti-consumer. Maybe it's worth accepting that businesses will not behave as you expect.
- grumple 3y ago
  Markets which require billions of dollars to compete in are not truly competitive. They may be competitive in a regulatory sense, but not in a practical one. And these markets have huge amounts of regulation as well that limits competition on top of the financial limitations on competition.
  - konschubert 3y ago
    The slim margins in the automotive sector would like to have a word with this argument.
    - grumple 3y ago
      Slim margins say nothing about competitiveness. You can lose money in uncompetitive or competitive markets. You can have huge margins in competitive ones. Also I don't think the 10.5% profit margin of Mercedes is low - the average for the S&P 500 is 11%.
    - LunaSea 3y ago
      The 14.8B € profits in 2022 would also like to have a word with your "slim margins".
- jaxboxer 3y ago
  This isn't even going to work in the long run anyway. Imagine being the car sales person. It makes you sound like a cheap used car salesman trying to nickle and dime the customer while selling "luxury". The whole idea will be perceived for the pettiness and ripoff it is. Especially when no one will even know you pay the extra a month so there is zero status symbol with this. No way this is around in a few years. They will lose more sales than they will ever make up with the monthly fee.

konschubert 3y ago

this is untrue in a competitive market

lostlogin 3y ago
And yet here we are. If they won’t compete with each other, regulation would seem the answer to this crap (as the original poster proposed).
zymhan 3y ago
This is often raised as a caveat when a business does something anti-consumer. Maybe it's worth accepting that businesses will not behave as you expect.
grumple 3y ago
Markets which require billions of dollars to compete in are not truly competitive. They may be competitive in a regulatory sense, but not in a practical one. And these markets have huge amounts of regulation as well that limits competition on top of the financial limitations on competition.
- konschubert 3y ago
  The slim margins in the automotive sector would like to have a word with this argument.
  - grumple 3y ago
    Slim margins say nothing about competitiveness. You can lose money in uncompetitive or competitive markets. You can have huge margins in competitive ones. Also I don't think the 10.5% profit margin of Mercedes is low - the average for the S&P 500 is 11%.
  - LunaSea 3y ago
    The 14.8B € profits in 2022 would also like to have a word with your "slim margins".
jaxboxer 3y ago
This isn't even going to work in the long run anyway. Imagine being the car sales person. It makes you sound like a cheap used car salesman trying to nickle and dime the customer while selling "luxury". The whole idea will be perceived for the pettiness and ripoff it is. Especially when no one will even know you pay the extra a month so there is zero status symbol with this. No way this is around in a few years. They will lose more sales than they will ever make up with the monthly fee.