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I think in a different time, we'd be able to say that it's become a farce, but ideology doesn't allow that thought to creep in. Even at the height of the cold

by mc32 4y ago

I think in a different time, we'd be able to say that it's become a farce, but ideology doesn't allow that thought to creep in. Even at the height of the cold war, we'd have contrarians and simple sympathizers who tried to nudge us --eventually both sides realized that the other wasn't the evil one thought the other was and that eventually allowed for Gorbachov and Reagan to have constructive dialog. But who in their right mind would be _convinced_ without a doubt that it was Russia who destroyed the pipeline cutting their nose to spite their face? It's so stupid. Even Saddam wasn't accused of being that stupid.

w7 4y ago
You say destroyed as if it was completely destroyed. https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138 https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-s... The only pipeline that was destroy was the one Germany had shutdown, Russia immediately began trying to poke Germany to open the other pipeline.
- goodSteveramos 4y ago
  Russia has been the one wanting all the pipelines open this whole time and the US has been the one demanding they stop existing. Your argument is fooy.
  - w7 4y ago
    So the US who "has been the one demanding they stop existing" covertly places explosives on 3/4 pipes, and ignores the last pipe despite direct proximity to the others? "Russia has been the one wanting all the pipelines open this whole time" Key word is "wanting", they were not getting it, Germany made is clear they were not getting it.
    - goodSteveramos 4y ago
      So the fact that whoever blew up 3 of the 4 pipes decided not to or wasn't able to or failed to blow up the last one means they must want Russia supplying gas to Europe? These bad faith arguments are why no one trusts the US anymore and everyone is getting on board with BRICS. The US lies and stabs you in that back no matter what.
      - w7 3y ago
        It's highly unlikely that someone with the capacity to deploy a team to covertly sabotage a pipeline decides to back out 3/4 of the way when in they're in such close proximity, or fails and their failure is never detected (there would be failed explosives at the site). Bad faith argument? Where does this nonsense about "everyone is getting on board with BRICS" come from? Who is "everyone"?
        revelio 3y ago
        There are repeated rumours that failed explosives were found at the site. https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered Holger Stark, the German investigative journalist who broke this story for Die Zeit. Stark has apparently told Hersh that “Officials in Germany, Sweden, and Denmark … decided shortly after the pipeline bombings to send teams to the site to recover the one mine that has not gone off”. He said they were too late; an American ship had sped to the site within a day or two and recovered the mine and other materials They did however recover a smoke buoy https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered
        w7 3y ago
        That's neat, why does Stark have this to say about the issue himself though? https://twitter.com/holger_stark/status/1638561100009549829 https://twitter.com/holger_stark/status/1638561100009549829 "But this is, at least in respect to our work at @DIEZEIT, complete BS. And if you write about me: call next time before you publish."
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by mc32 4y ago

w7 4y ago

You say destroyed as if it was completely destroyed. https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138 https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-s... The only pipeline that was destroy was the one Germany had shutdown, Russia immediately began trying to poke Germany to open the other pipeline.

goodSteveramos 4y ago
Russia has been the one wanting all the pipelines open this whole time and the US has been the one demanding they stop existing. Your argument is fooy.
- w7 4y ago
  So the US who "has been the one demanding they stop existing" covertly places explosives on 3/4 pipes, and ignores the last pipe despite direct proximity to the others? "Russia has been the one wanting all the pipelines open this whole time" Key word is "wanting", they were not getting it, Germany made is clear they were not getting it.
  - goodSteveramos 4y ago
    So the fact that whoever blew up 3 of the 4 pipes decided not to or wasn't able to or failed to blow up the last one means they must want Russia supplying gas to Europe? These bad faith arguments are why no one trusts the US anymore and everyone is getting on board with BRICS. The US lies and stabs you in that back no matter what.
    - w7 3y ago
      It's highly unlikely that someone with the capacity to deploy a team to covertly sabotage a pipeline decides to back out 3/4 of the way when in they're in such close proximity, or fails and their failure is never detected (there would be failed explosives at the site). Bad faith argument? Where does this nonsense about "everyone is getting on board with BRICS" come from? Who is "everyone"?
      - revelio 3y ago
        There are repeated rumours that failed explosives were found at the site. https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered Holger Stark, the German investigative journalist who broke this story for Die Zeit. Stark has apparently told Hersh that “Officials in Germany, Sweden, and Denmark … decided shortly after the pipeline bombings to send teams to the site to recover the one mine that has not gone off”. He said they were too late; an American ship had sped to the site within a day or two and recovered the mine and other materials They did however recover a smoke buoy https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered https://www.eugyppius.com/p/nord-stream-update-the-recovered
        w7 3y ago
        That's neat, why does Stark have this to say about the issue himself though? https://twitter.com/holger_stark/status/1638561100009549829 https://twitter.com/holger_stark/status/1638561100009549829 "But this is, at least in respect to our work at @DIEZEIT, complete BS. And if you write about me: call next time before you publish."

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