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> You’re completely ignoring the customer (people like you) in favor of the (already mega rich) corporations. What a mindset. No, I want the company I work for

by entrox 3y ago

> You’re completely ignoring the customer (people like you) in favor of the (already mega rich) corporations. What a mindset. No, I want the company I work for to have similar profit margins as FAANG and thus increase my compensation. Do you also attack those employees because their companies are charging extra for pure software unlocks or subscriptions?

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nosianu 3y ago
Car companies already and always have made money from continued support of their products. Car maintenance and repairs and spare parts and the work already cost money. So, not even remotely the same. You can complain about any company that wants to continuously make money for nothing in return. Just look at ink printers. Rent seeking sure is attractive, yes. Nobody owes you anything. There are MANY jobs that deserve such high salaries far more, just try anything related to caring for sick and/or old people. It's just that "deserve" has got nothing to do with anything! Also, look at all the other countries and companies. That kind of complaint to me sounds more like a multi-millionaire looking at the even grander mansion next door and claiming they deserve at least that much too and that the world is so unfair to them. You picked the very, very few where some people make even more. It's hardly all the tens of thousands of employees of the FAANGs that all make a few hundred thousand, just a small fraction. Cars also are not nearly as innovative. They are much farther along their product cycle. Oh sure, they did a lot of work, but the car still uses about as much fuel as it always did, and gets you barely any faster than it always did from A to B. But all the entertainment you get now! And all the electronics! Yeah okay. But the end product still doesn't deliver that much more value compared to a 1970s car. Some of them were actually more comfortable, easier to use, and easier to look out of. I do understand that there's been a lot of work on safety too since then, and that deaths went down. But I didn't claim there was zero innovation, did I? Only that you compared yourself with the latest and greatest new tech, such as AI, and in that elevated niche you again picked their highest paid people, and that seriously is your chosen comparison? Oh and when we are looking at all the innovation in cars, may I point to the discussions - right here on HN too - about software, UIs, and cheating German car makers (I'm German too by the way), and how German car makers are big losers in China, and quality issues in German cars (https://newsingermany.com/german-car-manufacturers-fail-us-study-quality-problems-are-increasing/ https://newsingermany.com/german-car-manufacturers-fail-us-s...)?
alexb_ 3y ago
>to have similar profit margins as FAANG and thus increase my compensation Why would they do this? They have enough labor working for the money they give already. If their profits doubled, why on earth would their labor costs go up too instead of them just keeping the money?
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  High prices require both a buyer to be able to pay and the buyer to have to pay (due to lack of sufficient sellers). High profit margins provide the first condition.
olyjohn 3y ago
So you're fine with fucking over the customer, as long as you get your cut of the compensation? Is that what you're saying? As long as tech companies do it, I guess it's fine if everybody does it, because profits, and you get a cut of it?
matheusmoreira 3y ago
Who cares about your compensation or your corporation's margins? We want to own our goddamn cars.
jwilber 3y ago
Your compensation has very little to do with the profit margins of your well-established employer. (Tesla is profitable. Uber is not. Who pays their software engineers more?)
kelnos 3y ago
If you want a higher salary, find a job and a company that will give you one. Don't advocate for your company to charge their customers for something that costs them $0 to provide. I guarantee that things like that will turn the world into a place none of us want to live in over the long run. Also, if you think that your employer is going to increase your compensation due to anti-features like this... well, hate to break it to you, but they won't. They'll pocket that money and/or distribute it to shareholders. Your salary is, roughly, the smallest number that they can offer you to get you to do the job, and has very little to do with their profit margins. > Do you also attack those employees because their companies are charging extra for pure software unlocks or subscriptions? I would attack any company that charges customers extra for nothing.

by entrox 3y ago

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nosianu 3y ago

Car companies already and always have made money from continued support of their products. Car maintenance and repairs and spare parts and the work already cost money. So, not even remotely the same. You can complain about any company that wants to continuously make money for nothing in return. Just look at ink printers. Rent seeking sure is attractive, yes. Nobody owes you anything. There are MANY jobs that deserve such high salaries far more, just try anything related to caring for sick and/or old people. It's just that "deserve" has got nothing to do with anything! Also, look at all the other countries and companies. That kind of complaint to me sounds more like a multi-millionaire looking at the even grander mansion next door and claiming they deserve at least that much too and that the world is so unfair to them. You picked the very, very few where some people make even more. It's hardly all the tens of thousands of employees of the FAANGs that all make a few hundred thousand, just a small fraction. Cars also are not nearly as innovative. They are much farther along their product cycle. Oh sure, they did a lot of work, but the car still uses about as much fuel as it always did, and gets you barely any faster than it always did from A to B. But all the entertainment you get now! And all the electronics! Yeah okay. But the end product still doesn't deliver that much more value compared to a 1970s car. Some of them were actually more comfortable, easier to use, and easier to look out of. I do understand that there's been a lot of work on safety too since then, and that deaths went down. But I didn't claim there was zero innovation, did I? Only that you compared yourself with the latest and greatest new tech, such as AI, and in that elevated niche you again picked their highest paid people, and that seriously is your chosen comparison? Oh and when we are looking at all the innovation in cars, may I point to the discussions - right here on HN too - about software, UIs, and cheating German car makers (I'm German too by the way), and how German car makers are big losers in China, and quality issues in German cars (https://newsingermany.com/german-car-manufacturers-fail-us-study-quality-problems-are-increasing/ https://newsingermany.com/german-car-manufacturers-fail-us-s...)?

alexb_ 3y ago

>to have similar profit margins as FAANG and thus increase my compensation Why would they do this? They have enough labor working for the money they give already. If their profits doubled, why on earth would their labor costs go up too instead of them just keeping the money?

lotsofpulp 3y ago
High prices require both a buyer to be able to pay and the buyer to have to pay (due to lack of sufficient sellers). High profit margins provide the first condition.

olyjohn 3y ago

So you're fine with fucking over the customer, as long as you get your cut of the compensation? Is that what you're saying? As long as tech companies do it, I guess it's fine if everybody does it, because profits, and you get a cut of it?

matheusmoreira 3y ago

Who cares about your compensation or your corporation's margins? We want to own our goddamn cars.

jwilber 3y ago

Your compensation has very little to do with the profit margins of your well-established employer. (Tesla is profitable. Uber is not. Who pays their software engineers more?)

kelnos 3y ago

If you want a higher salary, find a job and a company that will give you one. Don't advocate for your company to charge their customers for something that costs them $0 to provide. I guarantee that things like that will turn the world into a place none of us want to live in over the long run. Also, if you think that your employer is going to increase your compensation due to anti-features like this... well, hate to break it to you, but they won't. They'll pocket that money and/or distribute it to shareholders. Your salary is, roughly, the smallest number that they can offer you to get you to do the job, and has very little to do with their profit margins. > Do you also attack those employees because their companies are charging extra for pure software unlocks or subscriptions? I would attack any company that charges customers extra for nothing.