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I grew up around cars, and car builders. I've worked on quite a few very famous cars. My father built custom cars and ran "Barris Kustom" for years. I learned h

by oblib 3y ago

I grew up around cars, and car builders. I've worked on quite a few very famous cars. My father built custom cars and ran "Barris Kustom" for years. I learned how to build custom cars, including race cars. I also spent years designing and building cars (vans) that quadriplegics could drive and lots of those were for guys who crashed, or got ran into by cars/motorcycle, at high speeds. Personally, I think if anyone crashes a car that they were paying a fee to a car company to make their car go that fast that car company should be held accountable and libel for any and all damages and deaths that occur from that. I'm sure others would disagree, but I don't care. Odds are they've never spent any time at all working with those who were paralyzed because some dumbass smashed into them at high speeds.

Xerox9213 3y ago
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jackmott42 3y ago
How is there any distinction between paying a fee for more horsepower, or just buying a fast car to begin with?
bobbylarrybobby 3y ago
What is the distinction between paying to go faster and just going fast? (Disclaimer: I am in favor of limiting car speeds to the local speed limit via GPS-based speed governors or something similar.)
trgn 3y ago
Not sure if this is what you're saying, but the truth that nobody wants to hear is that cars are inherently dangerous because of their speed. The best way to save lives if have roads that encourage calm careful driving (bollards, single lanes, speed bumps, trees, ...). People want to have their cake and eat it. go as fast as possible, yet still be "safe". That's fighting against the laws of nature, weight + speed kills, it's just impossible to square that circle. We just need to internalize that in our hearts, and externalize this in our infrastructure.
- cultureswitch 3y ago
  Cars are dangerous because of speed, weight, dimensions and all sorts of specific things about a specific car. But the speed is good. Speed means people get to do more of what they like and live in places that are better for their health. Weight and large dimensions however, are horrendously bad for safety and efficiency and additionally, useless. The overwhelming majority of cars outside of professional use don't need to be bigger than a Lancia Delta. Nobody who isn't a farmer with a specific license needs a pickup truck. And even then, people who need to move stuff around drive vans, not pickups. Literally nobody should drive an SUV in any context.
mywittyname 3y ago
This attitude ignores the elephant in the room: a Civic is plenty fast enough to paralyze a person. And it doesn't even need to be speeding to do so, t-boning a car going 45mph is going to really mess someone up, especially if the car they are driving is not very safe. It's easy to demonize "irresponsible" drivers, but the fact is that everyday Joes hurt and kill people with their cars all the time. My good friend's son was killed by a hit-and-run and even though the driver was arrested and went to trial, a jury let him off of all major charges. We imagine that the people who kill others with their cars are always driving like asshats, but this guy was just driving like other regular people do: he was "speeding," but only 35 in a 25, and he had "been drinking" but only a beer. We have to recognize that regular people doing regular driving are very deadly behind the wheel. Because otherwise, society embarks on this wild goose chase of trying to stop "the bad guys" rather than making data-driven decisions on how to reduce traffic fatalities. So no, I don't agree with you. I think your line of thinking mirrors the likes of "satanic panic." It's an emotional argument used to point blame at a specific "bad" group, rather looking at the data and realizing that everyone bears responsibility. There are plenty of dads in Camrys out there running red lights, looking at their phones, and driving too damn fast.
- kayodelycaon 3y ago
  A stock Civic can easily get up to 120 mph. Cheap cars haven't been slow for a long time. Note, I don't have personal experience with a Civic or driving at such speed. My Prius starts losing traction at 95mph. :(
- oblib 3y ago
  It's trivial to limit the speed of a car. "Cruise Control" tech is pretty old. And this subject is not about someone doing 20mph and banging into someone because they were looking at their phone. It's about selling tech that will let you go 160mph and crash into someone.
shortcake27 3y ago
If someone is paying for a 1s quicker 0-60 how can you prove it was that 1s that caused the accident? Also, the vast majority of road trauma is not caused by performance vehicles. This does not sound like a meaningful way to make a difference. The best way to reduce the road toll is to get humans off the road. Autonomous vehicles are already safer drivers, but people don’t feel comfortable because the fewer mistakes they do make aren’t mistakes humans would make. Once these issues are ironed out we need to rapidly legislate human drivers off the roads.

by oblib 3y ago

Xerox9213 3y ago

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jackmott42 3y ago

How is there any distinction between paying a fee for more horsepower, or just buying a fast car to begin with?

bobbylarrybobby 3y ago

What is the distinction between paying to go faster and just going fast? (Disclaimer: I am in favor of limiting car speeds to the local speed limit via GPS-based speed governors or something similar.)

trgn 3y ago

Not sure if this is what you're saying, but the truth that nobody wants to hear is that cars are inherently dangerous because of their speed. The best way to save lives if have roads that encourage calm careful driving (bollards, single lanes, speed bumps, trees, ...). People want to have their cake and eat it. go as fast as possible, yet still be "safe". That's fighting against the laws of nature, weight + speed kills, it's just impossible to square that circle. We just need to internalize that in our hearts, and externalize this in our infrastructure.

cultureswitch 3y ago
Cars are dangerous because of speed, weight, dimensions and all sorts of specific things about a specific car. But the speed is good. Speed means people get to do more of what they like and live in places that are better for their health. Weight and large dimensions however, are horrendously bad for safety and efficiency and additionally, useless. The overwhelming majority of cars outside of professional use don't need to be bigger than a Lancia Delta. Nobody who isn't a farmer with a specific license needs a pickup truck. And even then, people who need to move stuff around drive vans, not pickups. Literally nobody should drive an SUV in any context.

mywittyname 3y ago

This attitude ignores the elephant in the room: a Civic is plenty fast enough to paralyze a person. And it doesn't even need to be speeding to do so, t-boning a car going 45mph is going to really mess someone up, especially if the car they are driving is not very safe. It's easy to demonize "irresponsible" drivers, but the fact is that everyday Joes hurt and kill people with their cars all the time. My good friend's son was killed by a hit-and-run and even though the driver was arrested and went to trial, a jury let him off of all major charges. We imagine that the people who kill others with their cars are always driving like asshats, but this guy was just driving like other regular people do: he was "speeding," but only 35 in a 25, and he had "been drinking" but only a beer. We have to recognize that regular people doing regular driving are very deadly behind the wheel. Because otherwise, society embarks on this wild goose chase of trying to stop "the bad guys" rather than making data-driven decisions on how to reduce traffic fatalities. So no, I don't agree with you. I think your line of thinking mirrors the likes of "satanic panic." It's an emotional argument used to point blame at a specific "bad" group, rather looking at the data and realizing that everyone bears responsibility. There are plenty of dads in Camrys out there running red lights, looking at their phones, and driving too damn fast.

kayodelycaon 3y ago
A stock Civic can easily get up to 120 mph. Cheap cars haven't been slow for a long time. Note, I don't have personal experience with a Civic or driving at such speed. My Prius starts losing traction at 95mph. :(
oblib 3y ago
It's trivial to limit the speed of a car. "Cruise Control" tech is pretty old. And this subject is not about someone doing 20mph and banging into someone because they were looking at their phone. It's about selling tech that will let you go 160mph and crash into someone.

shortcake27 3y ago

If someone is paying for a 1s quicker 0-60 how can you prove it was that 1s that caused the accident? Also, the vast majority of road trauma is not caused by performance vehicles. This does not sound like a meaningful way to make a difference. The best way to reduce the road toll is to get humans off the road. Autonomous vehicles are already safer drivers, but people don’t feel comfortable because the fewer mistakes they do make aren’t mistakes humans would make. Once these issues are ironed out we need to rapidly legislate human drivers off the roads.