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Make it easier to immigrate. Make housing affordable. I'm sure many talented young people would rather live in the EU than the US.

hospitalJail 3y ago
Probably not if you have the skills to write cutting edge AI. I think lots of young people would rather live there, but when you have a high value skill, things like 'affordable housing' aren't a big deal when you make 250k/yr vs 90k.
- malermeister 3y ago
  They are tho. I made north of half a million a year in the US and am still moving back to the EU. It's not just about how much I make, that reaches diminishing returns relatively quickly. It also matters how well other people, not in tech live. I got tired of all the homelessness around me caused by low wages and high rents. I got tired of all the drug abuse that happens as a result of that hopeless situation. I got tired of all the crime that follows. I want to go back to a society that works, not just a dystopian hell scape where I can be rich.
  - endisneigh 3y ago
    you're only doing this after you made your money in the USA and will presumably be far richer than your neighbors back in the EU.
    - midoridensha 3y ago
      His savings will be higher, sure (though living in SF is horribly expensive so he might not have as much as you think). However, his income in the EU will be the same as his peers there, and he'll need to live within that new income. Having a lifestyle that costs more per-month than your income is stupid and unsustainable; it's unlikely he has that much money saved to live that way for the rest of his life. So, at best, he'll have a bunch of cash to pay for a nicer place to live if he decides to purchase something (and if so, he'll still have to pay higher taxes and living costs out of his current income). Basically, he has a really nice retirement savings now. He's probably not going to be living like a king.
  - justrealist 3y ago
    You could just move out of SF to like, Miami or Atlanta ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean you do you, but you're really describing a problem that doesn't exist outside of SF, LA, and Seattle.
    - peanuty1 3y ago
      Or to Redmond/Bellevue/Kirkland/Issaquah (suburbs of Seattle).
  - r12343a_19 3y ago
    Sure, come over the our EU utopia... Come to think of it, if only it would be possible to do a swap. Half a mil a year to live in SF sounds harsh but worth the risk.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  Quality of life is important to some people. 250k/year isn't that great when you can't afford a decent dwelling, there's no decent public transit. there's people pooping on the sidewalks, and tech company founders getting stabbed to death in the street. You're not going to get everyone, but you only need a relatively small number of highly-talented people to make your company successful.
  - laurencerowe 3y ago
    San Francisco has quality of life issues but they are completely unrelated to the tech company founder being stabbed to death by a tech consultant over a personal issue. > Nima Momeni, the man accused of murdering Cash App founder Bob Lee, stabbed him three times with a kitchen knife on a dark San Francisco street after Momeni confronted Lee about Lee’s relationship with the suspect’s sister, city prosecutors alleged Friday. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/nima-momeni-arraignment-bob-lee-cash-app-17896289.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/nima-momeni-arraig...
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
Offer exchanges of residence. Exchange one US worker who wants to be here for one EU worker who wants to be there.
dauertewigkeit 3y ago
The US has the double benefit of being a true immigrant nation which welcomes and threats all people equally. No country in the EU can boast of the same.
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hospitalJail 3y ago

Probably not if you have the skills to write cutting edge AI. I think lots of young people would rather live there, but when you have a high value skill, things like 'affordable housing' aren't a big deal when you make 250k/yr vs 90k.

malermeister 3y ago
They are tho. I made north of half a million a year in the US and am still moving back to the EU. It's not just about how much I make, that reaches diminishing returns relatively quickly. It also matters how well other people, not in tech live. I got tired of all the homelessness around me caused by low wages and high rents. I got tired of all the drug abuse that happens as a result of that hopeless situation. I got tired of all the crime that follows. I want to go back to a society that works, not just a dystopian hell scape where I can be rich.
- endisneigh 3y ago
  you're only doing this after you made your money in the USA and will presumably be far richer than your neighbors back in the EU.
  - midoridensha 3y ago
    His savings will be higher, sure (though living in SF is horribly expensive so he might not have as much as you think). However, his income in the EU will be the same as his peers there, and he'll need to live within that new income. Having a lifestyle that costs more per-month than your income is stupid and unsustainable; it's unlikely he has that much money saved to live that way for the rest of his life. So, at best, he'll have a bunch of cash to pay for a nicer place to live if he decides to purchase something (and if so, he'll still have to pay higher taxes and living costs out of his current income). Basically, he has a really nice retirement savings now. He's probably not going to be living like a king.
- justrealist 3y ago
  You could just move out of SF to like, Miami or Atlanta ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean you do you, but you're really describing a problem that doesn't exist outside of SF, LA, and Seattle.
  - peanuty1 3y ago
    Or to Redmond/Bellevue/Kirkland/Issaquah (suburbs of Seattle).
- r12343a_19 3y ago
  Sure, come over the our EU utopia... Come to think of it, if only it would be possible to do a swap. Half a mil a year to live in SF sounds harsh but worth the risk.
midoridensha 3y ago
Quality of life is important to some people. 250k/year isn't that great when you can't afford a decent dwelling, there's no decent public transit. there's people pooping on the sidewalks, and tech company founders getting stabbed to death in the street. You're not going to get everyone, but you only need a relatively small number of highly-talented people to make your company successful.
- laurencerowe 3y ago
  San Francisco has quality of life issues but they are completely unrelated to the tech company founder being stabbed to death by a tech consultant over a personal issue. > Nima Momeni, the man accused of murdering Cash App founder Bob Lee, stabbed him three times with a kitchen knife on a dark San Francisco street after Momeni confronted Lee about Lee’s relationship with the suspect’s sister, city prosecutors alleged Friday. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/nima-momeni-arraignment-bob-lee-cash-app-17896289.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/nima-momeni-arraig...

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago

Offer exchanges of residence. Exchange one US worker who wants to be here for one EU worker who wants to be there.

dauertewigkeit 3y ago

The US has the double benefit of being a true immigrant nation which welcomes and threats all people equally. No country in the EU can boast of the same.

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