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I frankly don’t get this privacy argument at all. If I browse Facebook and look at pictures you uploaded and end up learning something from those pictures, what

I frankly don’t get this privacy argument at all. If I browse Facebook and look at pictures you uploaded and end up learning something from those pictures, what am I supposed to do? Undergo brain surgery? It feels like anything that you release on the internet publicly is fair game. If however you didn’t release it in public, put it behind a password and then OpenAI somehow got access to it and train on it, I can see the argument here but if you put up data on your own, I don’t see why you can prevent others from accessing that data. If you don’t want others using it out there, don’t put it out there.

jsnell 3y ago
Scale matters. It might feel like that to you, but that's not what the laws are in some economically important parts of the world. In Europe, the relevant bit is the "right to be forgotten". If you want to operate an information system, you need to implement that. It's hard to see why it wouldn't apply to a chatbot just the same as it applies to search engines. It's much easier to explain why there's a distinction between a human brain and a massive database accessible at will to billions of people.
graeme 3y ago
Does Open-AI make a copy of the data at any point? If so that's a copyright violation.
- sashank_1509 3y ago
  I can't copy paste text from the internet?
  - teddyh 3y ago
    Correct.
  - gkbrk 3y ago
    What do you think copyright is? It's literally the right to copy, and without having this right you can't copy whatever content you want from others.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > What do you think copyright is? It's literally the right to copy, and without having this right you can't copy whatever content you want from others. Actually, no, copyright is the right to exclude others from copying, and without someone else having that right, you can copy whatever you want. (And even if someone else has thr relevant copyright, you can still copy if your copying falls in one of several exceptions to thr exclusive rights of the copyright owner, such as fair use.)
      - graeme 3y ago
        Copyright: the exclusive legal right, given to an originator or an assignee to print, publish, perform, film, or record literary, artistic, or musical material, and to authorize others to do the same: Yes, if someone copies text it is technically a copyright violation. Now, copying a small bit, not publishing it, or publishing under fair use. That's all fine. Copying everything on the internet for commercial use falls under exactly none of those exceptions. There will likely be lawsuits, though OpenAI will likely try to say "If you don't want to be used this way, opt out and we'll remove you"
__loam 3y ago
I really wish people would stop analogizing a statistical system with the brain, especially in arguments for why a billion dollar company should be allowed to ignore data privacy laws. Just because something is on the public internet, does not mean you have the right to do anything you want with it.

jsnell 3y ago

Scale matters. It might feel like that to you, but that's not what the laws are in some economically important parts of the world. In Europe, the relevant bit is the "right to be forgotten". If you want to operate an information system, you need to implement that. It's hard to see why it wouldn't apply to a chatbot just the same as it applies to search engines. It's much easier to explain why there's a distinction between a human brain and a massive database accessible at will to billions of people.

graeme 3y ago

Does Open-AI make a copy of the data at any point? If so that's a copyright violation.

sashank_1509 3y ago
I can't copy paste text from the internet?
- teddyh 3y ago
  Correct.
- gkbrk 3y ago
  What do you think copyright is? It's literally the right to copy, and without having this right you can't copy whatever content you want from others.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > What do you think copyright is? It's literally the right to copy, and without having this right you can't copy whatever content you want from others. Actually, no, copyright is the right to exclude others from copying, and without someone else having that right, you can copy whatever you want. (And even if someone else has thr relevant copyright, you can still copy if your copying falls in one of several exceptions to thr exclusive rights of the copyright owner, such as fair use.)
    - graeme 3y ago
      Copyright: the exclusive legal right, given to an originator or an assignee to print, publish, perform, film, or record literary, artistic, or musical material, and to authorize others to do the same: Yes, if someone copies text it is technically a copyright violation. Now, copying a small bit, not publishing it, or publishing under fair use. That's all fine. Copying everything on the internet for commercial use falls under exactly none of those exceptions. There will likely be lawsuits, though OpenAI will likely try to say "If you don't want to be used this way, opt out and we'll remove you"

__loam 3y ago

I really wish people would stop analogizing a statistical system with the brain, especially in arguments for why a billion dollar company should be allowed to ignore data privacy laws. Just because something is on the public internet, does not mean you have the right to do anything you want with it.