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That's changing imo. There are a lot of women that identify as liberal who are morally conservative, but it can be reasoned that this is just the effects of pat
by kodah 3y ago
That's changing imo. There are a lot of women that identify as liberal who are morally conservative, but it can be reasoned that this is just the effects of patriarchy that they haven't chosen to prioritize addressing because it doesn't directly benefit them. Freedom from modesty will not be won overnight.
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoWhen your partner can't get it up because they've been abusing porn, you're incentivized to not like it just for personal reasons. And that's without even touching the fact that your partner is getting off to images of someone else. There's nothing "liberal" about porn. Porn is neither conservative nor liberal, it is libertine.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> When your partner can’t get it up because they’ve been abusing porn, you’re incentivized to not like it just for personal reasons. If your partner prefers interacting with porn to doing so with you, the porn use is a symptom, not the source of the problem.
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoMaybe at first, but just like alcohol or any other addiction it becomes its own problem over time.
- account42 3y agoAnything enjoyable (and many things that are not even that) can be addicting and in some cases enought to be a problem. That however is not an argument for banning it altogether or that it is morally unacceptable. And most additictions really are just a symptom for other problems.
- kodah 3y agoI think a lot of people blame porn for erectile dysfunction, but that's far from a leading cause: https://www.samhealth.org/about-samaritan/news-search/2022/06/08/ten-causes-of-erectile-dysfunction https://www.samhealth.org/about-samaritan/news-search/2022/0... and https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/erectile-dysfunction/top-10-causes-erectile-dysfunction https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/erectile-dysfunction/top-1... I guess this is also a good time for vulnerability since we're talking patriarchy. I've had periods of erectile dysfunction and they almost always overlapped with periods of intense stress or depression. Other times it had to do with my diet. That didn't stop some people at the time bringing up my porn use, which feels really nasty and humiliating when it happens to you. That isn't to say there aren't men who desensitize themselves, but I suspect that's more prevalent in young men and more of a minority in general. It is a provocative thing to bring up in conversation.
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoFine, then "can't last as long", or "isn't as in to it".
- kodah 3y agoI just find all of this really problematic, but maybe that's just me. I'd never make these assumptions or say these things to a woman.
- LorenPechtel 3y agoI strongly suspect the actual relationship is the other way around--it's a problem with their relationship that drove them to porn.
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoMaybe for some, but for people who start with porn before they ever have a relationship, this cannot be the case. At least not entirely.
- rayiner 3y ago[flagged]
- kodah 3y agoNot all of dismantling the patriarchy is about achieving things for women. It's about achieving equality among the sexes. If you want modesty, that's a choice you get to make, if you don't then that's a choice too. The point is not making it a default that people feel obligated to.
- rayiner 3y ago[flagged]
- kodah 3y agoThat sounds silly and overtly sexist. I learned what I said to you by listening to my girlfriend and other women over the years.
- rayiner 3y agoAnd I learned what I said from my wife. What part do you disagree with?
- kodah 3y agoAll of it. It's not accurate to the history of patriarchal deconstruction, who founded it, or the stragies used. If you want an accurate history give this a read: https://www.pacificu.edu/magazine/four-waves-feminism https://www.pacificu.edu/magazine/four-waves-feminism Fourth wave feminism is where we're at now for context.