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The "get your hands off my AI" comments in this thread seem totally disconnected from what this announcement actually is. It's some funding for responsible AI r

The "get your hands off my AI" comments in this thread seem totally disconnected from what this announcement actually is. It's some funding for responsible AI research, a (voluntary) commitment from some leading AI companies to a public bake-off, and a plan to have some guidelines for using AI within the federal government. That's it.

RelativeDelta 3y ago
That's an awful lot of minimizing you're doing here. - Funding AI that adheres to the governments ideas of what is "ethical" and "responsible" despite massive public disagreement on how those terms manifest. - Getting the largest tech firms in the world on board towards that goal. - Explicitly imposing limits on what information models are allowed to share and train on if they want access to government capital and the capital of those aforementioned partners and all other businesses including capital markets that contract with the government.
- __loam 3y ago
  The amount of arrogance in this field is fucking staggering. 50% of AI researchers think there's a 10% chance this tech makes us go extinct, and they rant and rave on the huge impacts this is going to have on all different aspects of our economy and society, but in the same breath they'll complain about government oversight.
INeedMoreRam 3y ago
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photonthug 3y ago
yeah but funding comes with strings, and implies the ability for funders to pick the winners and losers of what is basically a new industrial sector based on who wants to play ball. so where does the funding actually come from? sure, NSF, great! but according to https://new.nsf.gov/news/nsf-announces-seven-new-national-artificial https://new.nsf.gov/news/nsf-announces-seven-new-national-ar..., "U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Science and Technology Directorate" is on the list. isn't it a realistic cause for concern that these people are going to be on steering committees?
- allturtles 3y ago
  Did you know that there are already 18 NSF AI institutes? This is adding 7 more. There is also of-course privately sponsored research going on at Google, Facebook, Open AI, etc., where most of the cutting-edge stuff is happening anwyway. This is not in exclusion to all other AI research. It's a new investment by the government into one particular area.
  - photonthug 3y ago
    > This is not in exclusion to all other AI research well, even setting aside DHS, IBM is also listed as a funding partner. are you saying that after IBM gives cash to the NSF, then the NSF is fair and unbiased about publishing work that might hurt IBM and help their rivals? IBM is no doubt on this list because they want to buy influence and future government contracts before they miss the boat completely, whereas google/fb/openai feel they don't need to. i think we should follow the money, look for the conflicts of interest. it's not like you have to make research illegal to exclude players. you just gradually push them out of the loop, restrict their access to capital & research.

RelativeDelta 3y ago

That's an awful lot of minimizing you're doing here. - Funding AI that adheres to the governments ideas of what is "ethical" and "responsible" despite massive public disagreement on how those terms manifest. - Getting the largest tech firms in the world on board towards that goal. - Explicitly imposing limits on what information models are allowed to share and train on if they want access to government capital and the capital of those aforementioned partners and all other businesses including capital markets that contract with the government.

__loam 3y ago
The amount of arrogance in this field is fucking staggering. 50% of AI researchers think there's a 10% chance this tech makes us go extinct, and they rant and rave on the huge impacts this is going to have on all different aspects of our economy and society, but in the same breath they'll complain about government oversight.

INeedMoreRam 3y ago

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photonthug 3y ago

yeah but funding comes with strings, and implies the ability for funders to pick the winners and losers of what is basically a new industrial sector based on who wants to play ball. so where does the funding actually come from? sure, NSF, great! but according to https://new.nsf.gov/news/nsf-announces-seven-new-national-artificial https://new.nsf.gov/news/nsf-announces-seven-new-national-ar..., "U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Science and Technology Directorate" is on the list. isn't it a realistic cause for concern that these people are going to be on steering committees?

allturtles 3y ago
Did you know that there are already 18 NSF AI institutes? This is adding 7 more. There is also of-course privately sponsored research going on at Google, Facebook, Open AI, etc., where most of the cutting-edge stuff is happening anwyway. This is not in exclusion to all other AI research. It's a new investment by the government into one particular area.
- photonthug 3y ago
  > This is not in exclusion to all other AI research well, even setting aside DHS, IBM is also listed as a funding partner. are you saying that after IBM gives cash to the NSF, then the NSF is fair and unbiased about publishing work that might hurt IBM and help their rivals? IBM is no doubt on this list because they want to buy influence and future government contracts before they miss the boat completely, whereas google/fb/openai feel they don't need to. i think we should follow the money, look for the conflicts of interest. it's not like you have to make research illegal to exclude players. you just gradually push them out of the loop, restrict their access to capital & research.