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Maybe we shouldn't be encouraging "innovation" if it's at the expense of other people?

by fnimick 3y ago

nuclearnice1 3y ago
Probably too simplistic. Innovation serves some and “disrupts” others. Uber might be a handy ride for you. A NYC cabbie who is in debt for his medallion might see it the opposite.
- fnimick 3y ago
  And by the law, Uber should be illegal. That they broke the law and got popular enough to apply political pressure does not mean that they were not technically illegal the entire time. There's no contradiction here. If certain applications are illegal, you don't get to decide that regulation is inconvenient to your "innovation" and deal with the consequences later. Or rather, that is exactly what you do to make $megabux, and that's what should not be allowed.
  - nuclearnice1 3y ago
    I think your point about law breaking is good. Facebook, Uber, AirBnB. Too much law breaking in the name of innovation. I intended to make a narrower more trivial observation that innovation produces winners and losers. Innovation is just competition.
simultsop 3y ago
If it was not for FB privacy concerns would never become mainstream. 8B people would be still spied on. Not saying someone has to pay but they helped us see what happens when a social network gets big. Same as we wont know the dark sides of AI, but it has to be tackled.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  What exactly are you talking about here? Facebook did make many people second-guess their online presence, but it's not like our concerns over their data usage has stopped all spying. TikTok still ingests millions of videos for their... purposes. FIVE EYES ensures that the billions of first-world citizens are all spied on in law-abiding manner. NSO Group proves that spying can be privatized for adversaries too. The "dark side" of privacy concerns is that you can't merely pick one boogeyman and pretend that killing them fixes everything.

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Maybe we shouldn't be encouraging "innovation" if it's at the expense of other people?

by fnimick 3y ago

Maybe we shouldn't be encouraging "innovation" if it's at the expense of other people?

nuclearnice1 3y ago
Probably too simplistic. Innovation serves some and “disrupts” others. Uber might be a handy ride for you. A NYC cabbie who is in debt for his medallion might see it the opposite.
- fnimick 3y ago
  And by the law, Uber should be illegal. That they broke the law and got popular enough to apply political pressure does not mean that they were not technically illegal the entire time. There's no contradiction here. If certain applications are illegal, you don't get to decide that regulation is inconvenient to your "innovation" and deal with the consequences later. Or rather, that is exactly what you do to make $megabux, and that's what should not be allowed.
  - nuclearnice1 3y ago
    I think your point about law breaking is good. Facebook, Uber, AirBnB. Too much law breaking in the name of innovation. I intended to make a narrower more trivial observation that innovation produces winners and losers. Innovation is just competition.
simultsop 3y ago
If it was not for FB privacy concerns would never become mainstream. 8B people would be still spied on. Not saying someone has to pay but they helped us see what happens when a social network gets big. Same as we wont know the dark sides of AI, but it has to be tackled.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  What exactly are you talking about here? Facebook did make many people second-guess their online presence, but it's not like our concerns over their data usage has stopped all spying. TikTok still ingests millions of videos for their... purposes. FIVE EYES ensures that the billions of first-world citizens are all spied on in law-abiding manner. NSO Group proves that spying can be privatized for adversaries too. The "dark side" of privacy concerns is that you can't merely pick one boogeyman and pretend that killing them fixes everything.