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Similar to legalized prostitution, this is where I often find myself at odds with my otherwise libertarian and personal freedom leaning beliefs. Should one be

by bbarn 3y ago

Similar to legalized prostitution, this is where I often find myself at odds with my otherwise libertarian and personal freedom leaning beliefs. Should one be allowed to do with their body as they wish? In theory, yes, if it doesn't hurt others, but the reality is legalizing these things has a far greater capacity for harm at the hands of others who would exploit them.

em-bee 3y ago
isn't it the other way around? criminalizing prostitution taskes away options to seek help by those who are exploited or abused.
- bbarn 3y ago
  It's already criminalized, so the only thing that could change is legalizing it or decriminalizing it. By legalizing it, you effectively add cost, or tax, and the illegal component continues to remain (unlesss you simply make it stop being illegal, and unregulated, which most people agree is a bad idea) and the market segregates the workers into legal and illegal workers. The illegal workers lives get even worse, and the legal workers end up losing a lot of their money. Look at legal marijuana, or hell, even legal prostitution in places that allow it and you'll see that's been the real effect.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    By legalizing it, you effectively add cost, or tax, and the illegal component continues to remain but that's the point, legalizing or decriminalizing the actual act enables the people involved to seek protection from the illegal components. Look at legal marijuana, or hell, even legal prostitution in places that allow it and you'll see that's been the real effect at least in germany the opposite effect seems to be the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_Act "Sexual acts in the context of a prostitution contract are now valid to establish claims for compensation since the law came into force. This has not only significance for civil law, but also criminal law (property offences). In addition, prostitutes can now regularly insure in the statutory health, unemployment and pension insurance." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_Protection_Act "effective protection for prostitutes is only possible if this work is legalised" in addition to that, the issue i see is, how much control is necessary to enforce a ban on prostitution. i would argue that it is not possible without a serious reduction of personal freedom. legalizing it enables to focus the control on those engaged in such activities whereas the rest of us won't be bothered.

by bbarn 3y ago

em-bee 3y ago

isn't it the other way around? criminalizing prostitution taskes away options to seek help by those who are exploited or abused.

bbarn 3y ago
It's already criminalized, so the only thing that could change is legalizing it or decriminalizing it. By legalizing it, you effectively add cost, or tax, and the illegal component continues to remain (unlesss you simply make it stop being illegal, and unregulated, which most people agree is a bad idea) and the market segregates the workers into legal and illegal workers. The illegal workers lives get even worse, and the legal workers end up losing a lot of their money. Look at legal marijuana, or hell, even legal prostitution in places that allow it and you'll see that's been the real effect.
- em-bee 3y ago
  By legalizing it, you effectively add cost, or tax, and the illegal component continues to remain but that's the point, legalizing or decriminalizing the actual act enables the people involved to seek protection from the illegal components. Look at legal marijuana, or hell, even legal prostitution in places that allow it and you'll see that's been the real effect at least in germany the opposite effect seems to be the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_Act "Sexual acts in the context of a prostitution contract are now valid to establish claims for compensation since the law came into force. This has not only significance for civil law, but also criminal law (property offences). In addition, prostitutes can now regularly insure in the statutory health, unemployment and pension insurance." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitutes_Protection_Act "effective protection for prostitutes is only possible if this work is legalised" in addition to that, the issue i see is, how much control is necessary to enforce a ban on prostitution. i would argue that it is not possible without a serious reduction of personal freedom. legalizing it enables to focus the control on those engaged in such activities whereas the rest of us won't be bothered.