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No, those are deaths where a doctor has decided it was the cause, regardless of nonwitnessing internet commenters belief about their standards of judgement. Th

by elif 3y ago

No, those are deaths where a doctor has decided it was the cause, regardless of nonwitnessing internet commenters belief about their standards of judgement. There were 3 deaths on my block, including a renowned weight lifter who was a daily staple at the gym.

t0bia_s 3y ago
Did you know them personaly? Did you know their medical records?
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Even if I chose to accept your unfounded, not-reported-in-VAERS position as fact, it doesn't change anything. Anecdotes aren't substitutes for medical research. The data is clear that the risk of vaccination is extremely small, and that there are aggregate benefits to vaccination that exceed the risks. Deaths and harm occur in some limited cases in vaccination. They occur in some limited cases without. That's why we have data. One person being harmed cannot stop a program that reduces harm in aggregate. I guarantee you the riskiest thing that child did on a regular basis was get into a car. There's a 1% lifetime risk of death in a car accident in America.
  - peteradio 3y ago
    > One person being harmed cannot stop a program that reduces harm in aggregate. I guess this is the trolley problem in action but do we actually think all humans are the same? Would you divert the trolley from 2 90 year olds to 1 16 year old?
    - 6nf 3y ago
      This is exactly what we did during Covid. We saved 86 year olds by sacrificing young people.
  - t0bia_s 3y ago
    > there are aggregate benefits to vaccination that exceed the risks. Among children? Name data and studies that supporting your claim, please. Did you read those studies about negative side effects? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 Those are not anecdotes. > There's a 1% lifetime risk of death in a car accident in America. Should we ban cars because of this data?
6nf 3y ago
Were they vaccinated? How old were they? Which variant, the deadlier original one or the much less deadly Omicron?

by elif 3y ago

t0bia_s 3y ago

Did you know them personaly? Did you know their medical records?

arcticbull 3y ago
Even if I chose to accept your unfounded, not-reported-in-VAERS position as fact, it doesn't change anything. Anecdotes aren't substitutes for medical research. The data is clear that the risk of vaccination is extremely small, and that there are aggregate benefits to vaccination that exceed the risks. Deaths and harm occur in some limited cases in vaccination. They occur in some limited cases without. That's why we have data. One person being harmed cannot stop a program that reduces harm in aggregate. I guarantee you the riskiest thing that child did on a regular basis was get into a car. There's a 1% lifetime risk of death in a car accident in America.
- peteradio 3y ago
  > One person being harmed cannot stop a program that reduces harm in aggregate. I guess this is the trolley problem in action but do we actually think all humans are the same? Would you divert the trolley from 2 90 year olds to 1 16 year old?
  - 6nf 3y ago
    This is exactly what we did during Covid. We saved 86 year olds by sacrificing young people.
- t0bia_s 3y ago
  > there are aggregate benefits to vaccination that exceed the risks. Among children? Name data and studies that supporting your claim, please. Did you read those studies about negative side effects? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 Those are not anecdotes. > There's a 1% lifetime risk of death in a car accident in America. Should we ban cars because of this data?

6nf 3y ago

Were they vaccinated? How old were they? Which variant, the deadlier original one or the much less deadly Omicron?