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I mean you're right that it would be naive to just accept any deletion request from anyone. But is that really violating your rights by having someone request y

by hbn 4y ago

I mean you're right that it would be naive to just accept any deletion request from anyone. But is that really violating your rights by having someone request your data be deleted from someone else's dataset? If someone wrote your name on a wall and I asked them to erase it, I don't think that violates your rights. You didn't ask for OpenAI to train on your data in the first place. Having it deleted now is no different than OpenAI never having existed in the first place.

judge2020 4y ago
> I mean you're right that it would be naive to just accept any deletion request from anyone. But is that really violating your rights by having someone request your data be deleted from someone else's dataset? Unless we're talking about something other than GDPR, this same situation would apply to online services, not just training AI datasets.
renewiltord 4y ago
Well, OpenAI does exist. I'm not eager for some lunatic to commit me to damnatio memoriae. Chances are quite good that there exist people who you would be unhappy with me ensuring are deleted from Wikipedia, for instance. You have no right to make someone forget me.
piaste 4y ago
> But is that really violating your rights by having someone request your data be deleted from someone else's dataset? "Hi, I am $competitor, and I want all information about my successes scrubbed from the internet. Thank you."
- autoexec 4y ago
  I assume this only works for personal information collected right? Can someone really send an email to CNN and say "Here's my passport, now remove every article that mentioned me in any capacity immediately"?
  - piaste 3y ago
    No, the EDPD exempts news platforms. However, Google didn't want to be considered a news platform, because otherwise they'd be held responsible for their content. So you can't ask CNN to remove the article themselves, but you can (and people do) ask Google to remove those article from search results.
Zababa 4y ago
> But is that really violating your rights by having someone request your data be deleted from someone else's dataset? If I used Spotify and anyone could delete my data (playlists for example) that would be quite annoying.
- autoexec 4y ago
  It'd make sense that for any service someone signed up for they'd have to prove their identify (usually by signing in to the service) in order to remove that data, but for a service you don't have an account for would it matter? If someone just scrapped a bunch of data about you without your knowledge or consent why would it bother you if it were one day gone because someone else requested it to be deleted?
  - Zababa 3y ago
    In the case of "scrapped a bunch of data about you without your knowledge or consent" I agree, I can't imagine a case where it would benefit me. More generally, I'm not really sure. I like the idea of being able to clean up data for others, especially with how abusive some companies can be. But I wonder if the same process couldn't be used in an abusive way to delete some data. I don't have a definitive answer to that.

by hbn 4y ago

judge2020 4y ago

> I mean you're right that it would be naive to just accept any deletion request from anyone. But is that really violating your rights by having someone request your data be deleted from someone else's dataset? Unless we're talking about something other than GDPR, this same situation would apply to online services, not just training AI datasets.

renewiltord 4y ago

Well, OpenAI does exist. I'm not eager for some lunatic to commit me to damnatio memoriae. Chances are quite good that there exist people who you would be unhappy with me ensuring are deleted from Wikipedia, for instance. You have no right to make someone forget me.

piaste 4y ago

> But is that really violating your rights by having someone request your data be deleted from someone else's dataset? "Hi, I am $competitor, and I want all information about my successes scrubbed from the internet. Thank you."

autoexec 4y ago
I assume this only works for personal information collected right? Can someone really send an email to CNN and say "Here's my passport, now remove every article that mentioned me in any capacity immediately"?
- piaste 3y ago
  No, the EDPD exempts news platforms. However, Google didn't want to be considered a news platform, because otherwise they'd be held responsible for their content. So you can't ask CNN to remove the article themselves, but you can (and people do) ask Google to remove those article from search results.

Zababa 4y ago

> But is that really violating your rights by having someone request your data be deleted from someone else's dataset? If I used Spotify and anyone could delete my data (playlists for example) that would be quite annoying.

autoexec 4y ago
It'd make sense that for any service someone signed up for they'd have to prove their identify (usually by signing in to the service) in order to remove that data, but for a service you don't have an account for would it matter? If someone just scrapped a bunch of data about you without your knowledge or consent why would it bother you if it were one day gone because someone else requested it to be deleted?
- Zababa 3y ago
  In the case of "scrapped a bunch of data about you without your knowledge or consent" I agree, I can't imagine a case where it would benefit me. More generally, I'm not really sure. I like the idea of being able to clean up data for others, especially with how abusive some companies can be. But I wonder if the same process couldn't be used in an abusive way to delete some data. I don't have a definitive answer to that.