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Chances are OpenAI will show the government investigating PII removal requests how "it would literally cost us 10M to honor every request immediately instead of

by judge2020 4y ago

Chances are OpenAI will show the government investigating PII removal requests how "it would literally cost us 10M to honor every request immediately instead of removing it for the next training run in x months". I doubt a government will fine them / force them to withdraw business in that country once they understand the ramifications of PII removal requests in a modern LLM world, as long as they are eventually followed through.

cccbbbaaa 4y ago
I don't know about other laws, but GDPR does not say “immediately”, but “without undue delay”. In practice, it is within one month, extensible by up to two months (cf. art 12).
jeroenhd 4y ago
Italy has already deemed the entire product illegal based on privacy laws. I wouldn't be so sure about the government choosing not to fine them. Any ramifications concerning the removal of PII is not the government's problem. If they can't use PII in a legal way, they shouldn't have collected it in the first place.
- swores 4y ago
  > Italy has already deemed the entire product illegal based on privacy laws. Not exactly... in fact, to the point that you're just spreading misinformation. They didn't "deem the entire product illegal" at any point, and after OpenAI initially responding to Italy's objections by removing access for all Italians, they have since (a week ago) re-opened to Italian users having taken steps they presumably believe are enough for Italy to be OK with them operating there again. https://www.reuters.com/technology/chatgpt-is-available-again-users-italy-spokesperson-says-2023-04-28/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/chatgpt-is-available-agai... I very much doubt this is the last we hear from EU countries with regard to OpenAI / other LLMs and GDPR... but that's not the same as claiming Italy have already ruled it to be totally illegal.
- seattle_spring 4y ago
  Italy has already reversed that decision, as OpenAI made the requested changes and is now in compliance.
kweingar 4y ago
It might be easier to delete all personal data indiscriminately than to process individual requests. A government might suggest that as a way to stay in compliance.

cccbbbaaa 4y ago

I don't know about other laws, but GDPR does not say “immediately”, but “without undue delay”. In practice, it is within one month, extensible by up to two months (cf. art 12).

jeroenhd 4y ago

Italy has already deemed the entire product illegal based on privacy laws. I wouldn't be so sure about the government choosing not to fine them. Any ramifications concerning the removal of PII is not the government's problem. If they can't use PII in a legal way, they shouldn't have collected it in the first place.

swores 4y ago
> Italy has already deemed the entire product illegal based on privacy laws. Not exactly... in fact, to the point that you're just spreading misinformation. They didn't "deem the entire product illegal" at any point, and after OpenAI initially responding to Italy's objections by removing access for all Italians, they have since (a week ago) re-opened to Italian users having taken steps they presumably believe are enough for Italy to be OK with them operating there again. https://www.reuters.com/technology/chatgpt-is-available-again-users-italy-spokesperson-says-2023-04-28/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/chatgpt-is-available-agai... I very much doubt this is the last we hear from EU countries with regard to OpenAI / other LLMs and GDPR... but that's not the same as claiming Italy have already ruled it to be totally illegal.
seattle_spring 4y ago
Italy has already reversed that decision, as OpenAI made the requested changes and is now in compliance.

kweingar 4y ago

It might be easier to delete all personal data indiscriminately than to process individual requests. A government might suggest that as a way to stay in compliance.