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> For example, it really bothers me when I hear hateful religious doctrine spouted in public. I shouldn't have to listen to that when I walk down the street. W

> For example, it really bothers me when I hear hateful religious doctrine spouted in public. I shouldn't have to listen to that when I walk down the street. We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally. Though I would suggest the parent poster avoid walking down the dead-end street clearly marked "pornhub".

ben_w 3y ago
> We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally "Legally" isn't really the question, as that's about what is rather than what ought to be. That said, nobody has to listen, that's definitely not part of freedom of speech. They have to be allowed to listen, which is related but different. And for what ought to be… well, christian religious commandments have included calls to burn people at the stake if they follow a different faith, and such calls have been listened to and acted on. Heck, I'm in at least four distinct groups people have used religious justifications to demonise. If you think it won't happen to you, I'd add that sacred cows can be literal, so what happens when Hindu fundamentalism reaches your doorstep and some people call for you to be lynched for eating beef (which is a thing that has happened)? And unlike sexuality, you have a degree of control over the food you consume. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34409354 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34409354
themitigating 3y ago
"We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally. Though I would suggest the parent poster avoid walking down the dead-end street clearly marked "pornhub"." Why should it be. You are claiming one thing falls under the general "freedom of speech", I assume you mean the 1st admendment, but then you call pornography different but cite the law. Why is pornography wrong? Why is it worse than hate speech? How does it harm you directly? Hate speech can make people feel unsafe, uncomfortable, and can cause stress but it's allowed. Imagine you walked down the street and two people were just openly having sex, how does that harm you, how does that harm your family? Maybe I should ask, is that harm worse than hate speech? Freedom of speech is just one part of the 1st amendment, there's also freedom of expression.

ben_w 3y ago

> We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally "Legally" isn't really the question, as that's about what is rather than what ought to be. That said, nobody has to listen, that's definitely not part of freedom of speech. They have to be allowed to listen, which is related but different. And for what ought to be… well, christian religious commandments have included calls to burn people at the stake if they follow a different faith, and such calls have been listened to and acted on. Heck, I'm in at least four distinct groups people have used religious justifications to demonise. If you think it won't happen to you, I'd add that sacred cows can be literal, so what happens when Hindu fundamentalism reaches your doorstep and some people call for you to be lynched for eating beef (which is a thing that has happened)? And unlike sexuality, you have a degree of control over the food you consume. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34409354 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34409354

themitigating 3y ago

"We should have to, though, because of freedom of speech. Graphic pornographic content is a different animal legally. Though I would suggest the parent poster avoid walking down the dead-end street clearly marked "pornhub"." Why should it be. You are claiming one thing falls under the general "freedom of speech", I assume you mean the 1st admendment, but then you call pornography different but cite the law. Why is pornography wrong? Why is it worse than hate speech? How does it harm you directly? Hate speech can make people feel unsafe, uncomfortable, and can cause stress but it's allowed. Imagine you walked down the street and two people were just openly having sex, how does that harm you, how does that harm your family? Maybe I should ask, is that harm worse than hate speech? Freedom of speech is just one part of the 1st amendment, there's also freedom of expression.