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"Deliberately manipulating" is a biased term that negatively taints your statement. With the bias removed, the statement's ambiguity is revealed. You must unpac

"Deliberately manipulating" is a biased term that negatively taints your statement. With the bias removed, the statement's ambiguity is revealed. You must unpack what you mean by "deliberately manipulating". For example, teaching and parenting is a form of deliberately manipulating. Picking my kid up when he's about to fall down a slide is deliberately manipulating. Handing him a banana is deliberately manipulating. We are deliberately manipulating children constantly and for critically good reasons.

medler 3y ago
You have a good point. I really meant deliberately manipulating with the intent of making them want to buy things, and especially manipulating their emotions to make them think their lives will be so much better if only they had the product being advertised, which is exactly what advertising aimed at kids tries to do
Devasta 3y ago
Caffeine is a drug, but when someone says "I don't want my kids doing drugs" we all know they aren't talking about Dr. Pepper. You knew exactly what they meant, why pretend otherwise?
- the_only_law 3y ago
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- nightowl_games 3y ago
  Upon a second reading I can see more specificity due to the focus on "advertising". I still think that unpacking what is good and what is bad advertising is a difficult line to draw. Statements like "manipulating children is bad" are kinda worthless statements. They are simply inflammatory. We need to speak more precisely and with more clarity in order to elevate each other's understanding. We cannot simply make simple statements for decades and expect things to progress in any meaningful way. The conversation itself needs to change.
Taywee 3y ago
Correct. But I think the intention is conveyed in the wording itself. When somebody says "deliberately manipulating", you can fill in the extra "for one's own benefit and with no regard to the well-being of the manipulated party" automatically.

medler 3y ago

You have a good point. I really meant deliberately manipulating with the intent of making them want to buy things, and especially manipulating their emotions to make them think their lives will be so much better if only they had the product being advertised, which is exactly what advertising aimed at kids tries to do

Devasta 3y ago

Caffeine is a drug, but when someone says "I don't want my kids doing drugs" we all know they aren't talking about Dr. Pepper. You knew exactly what they meant, why pretend otherwise?

the_only_law 3y ago
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nightowl_games 3y ago
Upon a second reading I can see more specificity due to the focus on "advertising". I still think that unpacking what is good and what is bad advertising is a difficult line to draw. Statements like "manipulating children is bad" are kinda worthless statements. They are simply inflammatory. We need to speak more precisely and with more clarity in order to elevate each other's understanding. We cannot simply make simple statements for decades and expect things to progress in any meaningful way. The conversation itself needs to change.

Taywee 3y ago

Correct. But I think the intention is conveyed in the wording itself. When somebody says "deliberately manipulating", you can fill in the extra "for one's own benefit and with no regard to the well-being of the manipulated party" automatically.