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Based on the FUD being pushed about bill C-11, i’d take anything the potential targets of this bill say about what it would do with a huge grain of salt.

jsnell 4y ago
That's such a vague and allegation that it can't be disproven, or even meaningfully discussed. If you had a specific example of a claim they're making that's incorrect, misleading, or you even think might be untrue I assume you'd have given it?
- byteknight 4y ago
  It apparently makes the online streaming companies have to invest in candadian programming also.
judge2020 4y ago
Maybe explain what that FUD is? As it has been explained, it sounds like a big concern is that it requires them to boost Canadian/local content in their algorithms, and not just in a "here's a list of Canadian content", but right alongside other recommended videos.
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  The most interesting thing is what's defined as "Canadian Content". Most of what Celine Dion produced in her career doesn't fit the government approved list of cultural content, so is considered foreign music. But some recordings from Elvis do count because he recorded them on Canadian soil during a tour.
  - hbn 4y ago
    The issue is "making it" in Canada means moving to the US where there's real opportunity. Anyone who's really good is just kneecapping themselves by staying in the country. So most of our creative output is mediocre, especially when the only stuff that gets funded through CBC and whatnot is based entirely on identity politics with no consideration of whether or not the people involved have proven they can make anything good.
    - red-iron-pine 4y ago
      > especially when the only stuff that gets funded through CBC and whatnot is based entirely on identity politics with no consideration of whether or not the people involved have proven they can make anything good this is basically the entirety of Canadian culture at this point. there isn't anything meaningfully different from the US, so they have to double down on 'the woke' to try to differentiate. the result is a few gems, a lot of dross, and non-stop virtue signaling.
      - 908B64B197 4y ago
        Friend of mine here in the bay area is French Canadian and his teenagers (both full Americans born here) both watch and follow French Canadians on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. He explained to me that under Canadian law, absolutely none of that is Canadian Content or Culture. No subsidies, no quotas. Even a Denis Villeneuve movie isn't either. He explained to me that to watch original content in French he has to VPN in Canada to be allowed to watch content that's only produced in Canada for French Canadians; they won't even make the smallest attempt at exporting it. Honestly the whole concept, to me, is bizarre.
      - hbn 4y ago
        I hate to even say it cause the "x has gone woke" crowd is so loud and annoying these days, but it's just so obvious that basically everything that comes out of CBC, or even just our politicians getting on TV and supposedly doing a serious political statement, is so unserious and feels like it's made by aliens. We're so obsessed with not being "stupid Americans" that we have no identity. It's pathetic and embarrassing.
chongli 4y ago
No. Speaking as a Canadian, it’s a garbage protectionist bill. News in Canada is owned by the largest media companies (Rogers, Bell Canada, and the federal government). This bill would have Meta paying money to news sites for links the news sites themselves post on Facebook! It’s completely backwards! The news sites should be paying Facebook to advertise on their platform! Not that I’m a big fan of Facebook or anything. But it’s totally understandable to me that Facebook would ban all links to Canadian news sites if this bill passes. It represents unlimited liability for them!
- thomasahle 4y ago
  I suppose both Facebook and the news sites benefit from the linking. The news site benefits from the traffic and Facebook for having interesting content to show their users. This law seems more about negotiating how much of the pie each part gets.
  - chongli 4y ago
    Facebook doesn't really have any shortage of content to show to users though. Users generate their own content and the feed algorithm scoops it up and displays it. If Facebook banned all news links tomorrow most users wouldn't notice but the news sites definitely would!
    - thomasahle 4y ago
      Facebook has been suffering from users leaving the platform for a while. And even if removing news leads to just a 1% drop in user time spent on the platform, it's a lot of money lost. Of course removing news could also make it a nicer place to be, so maybe it'll increase user engagement. Who knows.
      - chongli 4y ago
        I'm biased. I'm the type of person who unfollows their friends for posting too much news/politics/outrage material. I've curated my Facebook feed to be mostly about things I'm interested in; hobbies and the like. I would actually celebrate if Facebook blocked all news. I also pretty thoroughly detest most of the news media in Canada. It's become far too politicized, and it strictly presents one side of the political spectrum but not in a good way. It tries to take some pretty radical ideas and normalize them, trying to pass them off as mainstream. It also happens to be pretty uncritical of the big media corporations in Canada, not wanting to bite the hand that feeds it. It doesn't seem like a coincidence that Canadians pay some of the highest rates in the world for wireless and internet access.
evandale 4y ago
I'm blown away that I'm reading opponents to C-11 are using FUD on hackernews of all places. The warnings about C-11 are not because of FUD.

jsnell 4y ago

That's such a vague and allegation that it can't be disproven, or even meaningfully discussed. If you had a specific example of a claim they're making that's incorrect, misleading, or you even think might be untrue I assume you'd have given it?

byteknight 4y ago
It apparently makes the online streaming companies have to invest in candadian programming also.

judge2020 4y ago

Maybe explain what that FUD is? As it has been explained, it sounds like a big concern is that it requires them to boost Canadian/local content in their algorithms, and not just in a "here's a list of Canadian content", but right alongside other recommended videos.

908B64B197 4y ago
The most interesting thing is what's defined as "Canadian Content". Most of what Celine Dion produced in her career doesn't fit the government approved list of cultural content, so is considered foreign music. But some recordings from Elvis do count because he recorded them on Canadian soil during a tour.
- hbn 4y ago
  The issue is "making it" in Canada means moving to the US where there's real opportunity. Anyone who's really good is just kneecapping themselves by staying in the country. So most of our creative output is mediocre, especially when the only stuff that gets funded through CBC and whatnot is based entirely on identity politics with no consideration of whether or not the people involved have proven they can make anything good.
  - red-iron-pine 4y ago
    > especially when the only stuff that gets funded through CBC and whatnot is based entirely on identity politics with no consideration of whether or not the people involved have proven they can make anything good this is basically the entirety of Canadian culture at this point. there isn't anything meaningfully different from the US, so they have to double down on 'the woke' to try to differentiate. the result is a few gems, a lot of dross, and non-stop virtue signaling.
    - 908B64B197 4y ago
      Friend of mine here in the bay area is French Canadian and his teenagers (both full Americans born here) both watch and follow French Canadians on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. He explained to me that under Canadian law, absolutely none of that is Canadian Content or Culture. No subsidies, no quotas. Even a Denis Villeneuve movie isn't either. He explained to me that to watch original content in French he has to VPN in Canada to be allowed to watch content that's only produced in Canada for French Canadians; they won't even make the smallest attempt at exporting it. Honestly the whole concept, to me, is bizarre.
    - hbn 4y ago
      I hate to even say it cause the "x has gone woke" crowd is so loud and annoying these days, but it's just so obvious that basically everything that comes out of CBC, or even just our politicians getting on TV and supposedly doing a serious political statement, is so unserious and feels like it's made by aliens. We're so obsessed with not being "stupid Americans" that we have no identity. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

chongli 4y ago

No. Speaking as a Canadian, it’s a garbage protectionist bill. News in Canada is owned by the largest media companies (Rogers, Bell Canada, and the federal government). This bill would have Meta paying money to news sites for links the news sites themselves post on Facebook! It’s completely backwards! The news sites should be paying Facebook to advertise on their platform! Not that I’m a big fan of Facebook or anything. But it’s totally understandable to me that Facebook would ban all links to Canadian news sites if this bill passes. It represents unlimited liability for them!

thomasahle 4y ago
I suppose both Facebook and the news sites benefit from the linking. The news site benefits from the traffic and Facebook for having interesting content to show their users. This law seems more about negotiating how much of the pie each part gets.
- chongli 4y ago
  Facebook doesn't really have any shortage of content to show to users though. Users generate their own content and the feed algorithm scoops it up and displays it. If Facebook banned all news links tomorrow most users wouldn't notice but the news sites definitely would!
  - thomasahle 4y ago
    Facebook has been suffering from users leaving the platform for a while. And even if removing news leads to just a 1% drop in user time spent on the platform, it's a lot of money lost. Of course removing news could also make it a nicer place to be, so maybe it'll increase user engagement. Who knows.
    - chongli 4y ago
      I'm biased. I'm the type of person who unfollows their friends for posting too much news/politics/outrage material. I've curated my Facebook feed to be mostly about things I'm interested in; hobbies and the like. I would actually celebrate if Facebook blocked all news. I also pretty thoroughly detest most of the news media in Canada. It's become far too politicized, and it strictly presents one side of the political spectrum but not in a good way. It tries to take some pretty radical ideas and normalize them, trying to pass them off as mainstream. It also happens to be pretty uncritical of the big media corporations in Canada, not wanting to bite the hand that feeds it. It doesn't seem like a coincidence that Canadians pay some of the highest rates in the world for wireless and internet access.

evandale 4y ago

I'm blown away that I'm reading opponents to C-11 are using FUD on hackernews of all places. The warnings about C-11 are not because of FUD.