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<< Allegedly, CSAM is up 89% from pre-pandemic levels Allegedly. That said, the alarming statistic is used by people who have a specific agenda related to CSA

<< Allegedly, CSAM is up 89% from pre-pandemic levels Allegedly. That said, the alarming statistic is used by people who have a specific agenda related to CSAM. It is not dissimilar how pro/anti-gun sides ( and many others, it is just an example ) cherry pick their favorite data/ranges and so on. << addressing the CSAM issue << if it is possible to come with our own bill Not if it breaks some basic internet foundations. There is a simple reason for it. There is a way to stop all fraud at bank. Stop all transactions. I think you will agree that while stopping fraud is a valuable proposition, the solution is close to unworkable. It is the same here. In other words, in order to entertain some level of freedom, one must be willing to accept that some bad people will do some bad things with that freedom. That is the trade-off. Now, that is not letting 'bad guy' off the hook. Police still has a job to do. What we do not want to do is create an easier world for police, but a more livable place for all the republic's denizens.

GrowFelurs 3y ago
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- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
  Interesting statement. It is not argument. It is an attempt at labeling me as something instead of presenting an argument. It is not going to work. If you want a decent conversation with me, you want to present a valid counter instead of bunching me with "oh, you are one of those people". << "head in the sand" And after that preface, you are wrong about it too. I am openly stating leave internet alone from your hand-wringing. Long term, it is not even helping anyone; including the children.
CJefferson 3y ago
By your argument, should we do nothing to try and stop bank fraud? We do lots, including tracking large transactions. Most people agree this is a reasonable thing to do. Most people are, I suspect, more upset by CSAM than by bank fraud.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
  Yes, but, and this is the important part, we do not break entire banking ecosystem to find couple of fraudsters. This is the crux of the issue. The proposal to break encryption to prevent CSAM is the equivalent solution. Just from that perspective alone, it is an arguably bad proposal. It is, in short, not a reasonable proposal. You would not break a banking system to achieve a relatively minor goal of catching some fraudsters. That is just a no to most people. Similarly, attempting to break encryption to catch some CSAM is about as bad a proposal. Just to add to this, you are conflating tracking BSA, CTR and couple other things and trying to fit it into CSAM. << should we do nothing to try and stop bank fraud? To rephrase your argument, are we doing nothing? By your admission we are already doing a lot under BSA ( I would argue we do too much, but that is a separate conversation ). The proposal for CSAM is nowhere near the level of intrusiveness that BSA operates at and BSA is quite intrusive.

GrowFelurs 3y ago

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A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
Interesting statement. It is not argument. It is an attempt at labeling me as something instead of presenting an argument. It is not going to work. If you want a decent conversation with me, you want to present a valid counter instead of bunching me with "oh, you are one of those people". << "head in the sand" And after that preface, you are wrong about it too. I am openly stating leave internet alone from your hand-wringing. Long term, it is not even helping anyone; including the children.

CJefferson 3y ago

By your argument, should we do nothing to try and stop bank fraud? We do lots, including tracking large transactions. Most people agree this is a reasonable thing to do. Most people are, I suspect, more upset by CSAM than by bank fraud.

A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
Yes, but, and this is the important part, we do not break entire banking ecosystem to find couple of fraudsters. This is the crux of the issue. The proposal to break encryption to prevent CSAM is the equivalent solution. Just from that perspective alone, it is an arguably bad proposal. It is, in short, not a reasonable proposal. You would not break a banking system to achieve a relatively minor goal of catching some fraudsters. That is just a no to most people. Similarly, attempting to break encryption to catch some CSAM is about as bad a proposal. Just to add to this, you are conflating tracking BSA, CTR and couple other things and trying to fit it into CSAM. << should we do nothing to try and stop bank fraud? To rephrase your argument, are we doing nothing? By your admission we are already doing a lot under BSA ( I would argue we do too much, but that is a separate conversation ). The proposal for CSAM is nowhere near the level of intrusiveness that BSA operates at and BSA is quite intrusive.