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> I think deliberately manipulating kids is heinous Religion has entered the chat.

afavour 3y ago
The idea is to improve, not replicate all the bad parts.
cmrdporcupine 3y ago
> Religion has entered the chat. Parenting in general has entered the cat. (That said, I do agree that we need boundaries on the manipulation of younger minds. I've seen others make this analogy before: We don't let kids buy cigarettes in stores -- why should they have the full force of addictive algorithmic social media unleashed on them? [for that matter, why should adults, but that's another story])
skizm 3y ago
I'm no fan of organized Religion, but I think there is a clear distinction here. Religion is opt-in (by the parents) where most advertising to kids isn't. You could argue that parents could take away their access to [phone|youtube|instagram|etc.], but kids will get access at school, or through their friends one way or another. The internet is too ubiquitous at this point to actually opt-out.
- p0pcult 3y ago
  You shouldn't be allowed to opt others in, especially those under the age of legally informed consent, to brainwashing.
  - Lord_Baltimore 3y ago
    Yeah, I don't think you should be able to opt children into atheistic teaching.
    - govg 3y ago
      Atheism isn't a belief system predicated on the existence of supernatural forces for whom we have no evidence. Wouldn't call it brainwashing.
    - mftrhu 3y ago
      You can't opt in to "atheistic teaching", it's simply the result of not opting in to any of the religious options.
      - p0pcult 3y ago
        You probably can indoctrinate someone with atheism, but it is, as you say, alao a potential outcome of rejecting the other options.
    - callalex 3y ago
      Can you define “atheistic teaching”?
- alpaca128 3y ago
  Religion isn't opt-in where I live, it's a mandatory part of the school system for every student of any background, students can only opt out once they are 18 and basically finished with school anyway. I'd understand if it was some ethics class that in part educates about religion, but in elementary to middle school it's 100% Jesus and angel stories. Separation of church and state my ass.

The idea is to improve, not replicate all the bad parts.

> Religion has entered the chat. Parenting in general has entered the cat. (That said, I do agree that we need boundaries on the manipulation of younger minds. I've seen others make this analogy before: We don't let kids buy cigarettes in stores -- why should they have the full force of addictive algorithmic social media unleashed on them? [for that matter, why should adults, but that's another story])

skizm 3y ago

I'm no fan of organized Religion, but I think there is a clear distinction here. Religion is opt-in (by the parents) where most advertising to kids isn't. You could argue that parents could take away their access to [phone|youtube|instagram|etc.], but kids will get access at school, or through their friends one way or another. The internet is too ubiquitous at this point to actually opt-out.

p0pcult 3y ago
You shouldn't be allowed to opt others in, especially those under the age of legally informed consent, to brainwashing.
- Lord_Baltimore 3y ago
  Yeah, I don't think you should be able to opt children into atheistic teaching.
  - govg 3y ago
    Atheism isn't a belief system predicated on the existence of supernatural forces for whom we have no evidence. Wouldn't call it brainwashing.
  - mftrhu 3y ago
    You can't opt in to "atheistic teaching", it's simply the result of not opting in to any of the religious options.
    - p0pcult 3y ago
      You probably can indoctrinate someone with atheism, but it is, as you say, alao a potential outcome of rejecting the other options.
  - callalex 3y ago
    Can you define “atheistic teaching”?
alpaca128 3y ago
Religion isn't opt-in where I live, it's a mandatory part of the school system for every student of any background, students can only opt out once they are 18 and basically finished with school anyway. I'd understand if it was some ethics class that in part educates about religion, but in elementary to middle school it's 100% Jesus and angel stories. Separation of church and state my ass.