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Mark Zuckerberg himself seems to understand the importance of privacy very well, taping over the microphone and camera on his MacBook Pro, keeping his trash can

Mark Zuckerberg himself seems to understand the importance of privacy very well, taping over the microphone and camera on his MacBook Pro, keeping his trash can from being scavenged by others, and FB spending heavily to protect his security, so why does he have the exact opposite attitude towards others?

jason-phillips 3y ago
In practical terms, Mark is a target. You're not.
- ben_w 3y ago
  When surveillance is cheap enough, everyone's a target.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  We all very much are. This is the entire business model of Google and Meta
  - Shish2k 3y ago
    There’s a difference between “targeted for advertising” and “targeted for a bullet”...
- traceroute66 3y ago
  > Mark is a target. You're not. Define the word "target". I would argue that for the likes of Facebook and Google, they consider anyone fair game. Of course they would never use the word "target", but ...
  - SuperCuber 3y ago
    I work in adtech. Terms like "Targetted advertising" and "Retargeting" are very common.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  In more practical terms, it's because his business prints billions per year by selling you ads.
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  Perhaps, but then you're a mark. We all are.
zeroonetwothree 3y ago
He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? Not saying everything FB does is ok but I think we are going too crazy with the government intervention. I don’t exactly see that FB was committing deliberate fraud based on this latest report (but a lot is redacted). It seems more like there were just some bugs? As a dev I worry about a world in which we expect perfection from all software.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  Facebook stalks you regardless of whether you personally use it.
  - JohnMakin 3y ago
    [flagged]
- chickenpotpie 3y ago
  > He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? Maybe not in America, but WhatsApp is basically mandatory in some countries. Schools will send out communications exclusively over it and many businesses exclusively use it for payment. 92% of Israeli phones have it installed. For some, the option is Facebook or not participating in society.
- jjulius 3y ago
  >He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? A closed circuit camera system that exists for the purpose of helping to prevent or resolve any criminal issues and is otherwise not used for anything else is far different from tracking non-FB users (eg, "he isn't forcing you to use Facebook") and profiling them via trackers embedded on websites that you may use even without a FB account.
- burnished 3y ago
  The level of observation is completely out of scope with the level of permission or disclosure, the two situations are not remotely comparable. You do not expect a stranger to track everything possible about you and then go on to sell that data from a casual interaction.
JohnFen 3y ago
> why does he have the exact opposite attitude towards others? Because his income depends on it, of course. Not giving a shit is table stakes for these companies.
jraby3 3y ago
He’s basically a celebrity and billionaire. His privacy concerns are on a completely different scale than ours.

jason-phillips 3y ago

In practical terms, Mark is a target. You're not.

ben_w 3y ago
When surveillance is cheap enough, everyone's a target.
wkat4242 3y ago
We all very much are. This is the entire business model of Google and Meta
- Shish2k 3y ago
  There’s a difference between “targeted for advertising” and “targeted for a bullet”...
traceroute66 3y ago
> Mark is a target. You're not. Define the word "target". I would argue that for the likes of Facebook and Google, they consider anyone fair game. Of course they would never use the word "target", but ...
- SuperCuber 3y ago
  I work in adtech. Terms like "Targetted advertising" and "Retargeting" are very common.
onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
In more practical terms, it's because his business prints billions per year by selling you ads.
actionfromafar 3y ago
Perhaps, but then you're a mark. We all are.

zeroonetwothree 3y ago

He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? Not saying everything FB does is ok but I think we are going too crazy with the government intervention. I don’t exactly see that FB was committing deliberate fraud based on this latest report (but a lot is redacted). It seems more like there were just some bugs? As a dev I worry about a world in which we expect perfection from all software.

Nextgrid 3y ago
Facebook stalks you regardless of whether you personally use it.
- JohnMakin 3y ago
  [flagged]
chickenpotpie 3y ago
> He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? Maybe not in America, but WhatsApp is basically mandatory in some countries. Schools will send out communications exclusively over it and many businesses exclusively use it for payment. 92% of Israeli phones have it installed. For some, the option is Facebook or not participating in society.
jjulius 3y ago
>He isn’t forcing you to use Facebook. If you go into a store and they have a security camera that records you is that also violating your privacy? A closed circuit camera system that exists for the purpose of helping to prevent or resolve any criminal issues and is otherwise not used for anything else is far different from tracking non-FB users (eg, "he isn't forcing you to use Facebook") and profiling them via trackers embedded on websites that you may use even without a FB account.
burnished 3y ago
The level of observation is completely out of scope with the level of permission or disclosure, the two situations are not remotely comparable. You do not expect a stranger to track everything possible about you and then go on to sell that data from a casual interaction.

JohnFen 3y ago

> why does he have the exact opposite attitude towards others? Because his income depends on it, of course. Not giving a shit is table stakes for these companies.

jraby3 3y ago

He’s basically a celebrity and billionaire. His privacy concerns are on a completely different scale than ours.