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> it seems like the dumbest, most ineffective way of detecting if an android is off baseline. It would be simple for a trained android or human to fake the test

> it seems like the dumbest, most ineffective way of detecting if an android is off baseline. It would be simple for a trained android or human to fake the test just like a polygraph and seems easier for an android to control expression of emotion and just match the expectation. This seems to me like a misunderstanding of the idea behind both films. The baseline test in this scene seems to be set up as a test of one's ability to control emotion. > It would be simple for a trained android or human to fake the test just like a polygraph IFF the android or human is organised/prepared/together/emotionally settled. i.e. "at baseline". Which is the whole point. The test is testing whether you're in the type of state of mind one would need to do things in a controlled & calculated manner: if you can fake it you're at baseline. > seems easier for an android to control expression of emotion And if you think this, you didn't get the general message behind the films*. --- * Fwiw I have not read Philip K. Dick so I can't say whether the same is true of Do Androids Dream...

prepend 3y ago
> And if you think this, you didn't get the general message behind the films*. Perhaps. Of course I think, I get it, I just don’t agree with it, or think it’s poorly formed. I’m glad lots of people enjoy it in a variety of ways and am certainly glad the films were made and hope there are more like them made in the future.
- gs17 3y ago
  > Perhaps. Of course I think, I get it, I just don’t agree with it, or think it’s poorly formed. Sounds like every time I've tried to discuss these movies online. If you notice the setting has issues, for some reason a lot of people jump on that as you "just not getting it" and you absolutely hating the movies.
  - lucideer 3y ago
    It's definitely a thing online for people to roll out the "you just don't get it" line in response to a negative review of a piece of media, but I thought it a little more applicable here in discussing whether 1 scene - written by one person - fits thematically with the rest of the film(s) written by other people. As in: the issue raised with Gosling's writing is that it's portrayal of androids' emotionality is not in line with the rest of the film(s). But to me that's one of the primary themes of both films.

prepend 3y ago

> And if you think this, you didn't get the general message behind the films*. Perhaps. Of course I think, I get it, I just don’t agree with it, or think it’s poorly formed. I’m glad lots of people enjoy it in a variety of ways and am certainly glad the films were made and hope there are more like them made in the future.

gs17 3y ago
> Perhaps. Of course I think, I get it, I just don’t agree with it, or think it’s poorly formed. Sounds like every time I've tried to discuss these movies online. If you notice the setting has issues, for some reason a lot of people jump on that as you "just not getting it" and you absolutely hating the movies.
- lucideer 3y ago
  It's definitely a thing online for people to roll out the "you just don't get it" line in response to a negative review of a piece of media, but I thought it a little more applicable here in discussing whether 1 scene - written by one person - fits thematically with the rest of the film(s) written by other people. As in: the issue raised with Gosling's writing is that it's portrayal of androids' emotionality is not in line with the rest of the film(s). But to me that's one of the primary themes of both films.