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It won’t be my interest in saving the planet that stops me from buying cars, it’ll be bullshit like this. I want to own my car. I don’t want it to be connected
by GiorgioG 3y ago
It won’t be my interest in saving the planet that stops me from buying cars, it’ll be bullshit like this. I want to own my car. I don’t want it to be connected (beyond acting as a hotspot) to the internet or to some central service. Have we not learned anything?
- canbus 3y agolikewise. sadly people will still buy this shite, which in turn encourages manufacturers.
- milkytron 3y agoA lot of people don't follow these developments, don't know how they're harmful, and don't really care. The car companies may be aware that there is growing resentment, but as long as it's legal and there are still enough people buying this for it to be worth continuing, they will do it.
- bluGill 3y agoUntil they discover it isn't. I'm predicting a lot of this gets rolled back as used cars buyers are more sensitive. Used car buys will look at this as the without model. Maybe this will work out as a lot of used car buyers don't care about speeds they won't go anyway (though they should ask if this was ever on as that does put more wear and tear on a car). I don't think this will work out for things like heated seats: the buyer will want a car with heated seats and one with a subscription for heated seats is worth less money to price sensitive buyers.
- 2rsf 3y agoDon't you want software upgrades? cars are loaded with technology, some of it is for "fun" like navigation of music services, but a lot if for safety reasons and this requires frequent updating.
- Guthur 3y agoNo it doesn't, if it isn't safe already it shouldn't be on the road and needs a recall.
- _yb2s 3y agoI want it to be simple and well tested so it doesn’t need updates, just like the physical parts of the car.
- fowtowmowcow 3y agoEven with the best programmers and safety measures in the world NASA still had to update the space shuttle. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/flyout/flyfeature_shuttlecomputers.html https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/flyout/flyfeature...
- 2rsf 3y agoAnd the Curiosity Mars Rover
- jimnotgym 3y agoThat's OK, they can plug in and update during the annual service.
- _yb2s 3y agoI expect a car manufacturer to do extensive real world testing in all possible conditions- heat, traffic, etc. before selling it. A spaceship needs to work perfectly the first time, the actual use is also the only real world test of the prototype. It’s also a much harder problem… cars are much simpler and well understood “mature” tech where we have over a century of real world experience on what type of failures are possible and how to mitigate them.
- fowtowmowcow 3y agoYou know what's also cool. A mechanical engineer can lose their license if their work results in deaths. A software engineer can't lose their license because they don't have one. Perhaps a professional license may improve software development and thus better software in consumer products like cars where bad software design can result in deaths.
- FredPret 3y agoWe tech folk may have learnt the lesson the hard way, but for the non-tech population the lesson is still coming.
- GiorgioG 3y agoHave we though? AWS/GCP/Azure I'm looking at you...
- strictnein 3y agoLots of the stuff we "tech folk" build is based on people owning nothing. Everything is [thing] as a Service.
- userbinator 3y agoHave we not learned anything? The "you will own nothing" advocates will continue to keep pushing for stuff like this.
- barbazoo 3y ago> The "you will own nothing" advocates will continue to keep pushing for stuff like this. Who are these "advocates"?
- kornhole 3y agoIt is being pushed hard from Wall Street. ARR (Annual Recurring Revenue) is the metric they want to see rising more than increases in income.
- incone123 3y agoMercedes, in this particular case.
- fwungy 3y agoThe original phrase was coined by the World Economic Forum. What the critics leave out is that the WEF was saying that people would be happier not owning anything. >You will own nothing and you will be happy. Alternatively it could have a darker interpretation: you will be a slave and you will be happy, because that's all you're going to get. I suppose it depends if you look at the WEF as a benevolent institution looking to benefit humanity or very rich people looking to solidify their own position at any cost.
- Toutouxc 3y agoMore info about the origin of the phrase: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_own_nothing_and_be_happy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_own_nothing_and_be_...
- boston_clone 3y agoEasily fact-checked: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef-idUSKBN2AP2T0 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef-idUSKBN2AP2...
- ajross 3y ago> I don’t want [my car] to be connected [...] to the internet Really? No remote access, security notifications, navigation facilities? No watching TV while charging? No OTA updates that obviate the need to take it to the dealership for routine fixes? No open source location analytic API? I mean, I'm sure there's some bad stuff that happens too. But this is very much throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I won't tell you what you, personally, want in a vehicle. But the market as a whole absolutely wants their cars on the internet.
- BanazirGalbasi 3y agoWhy would I want remote access to my car? Why should my car need security notifications? And if I'm charging, I can use that as an opportunity to get out of the car, or catch up on notifications I've ignored for the last several hours. Every routine fix that I've seen on a car has been something mechanical, which either I can do myself (e.g. oil and bulb changes) or I have to take into a shop anyway. The only semi-valid reason for connectivity here is navigation, but even then I'm already paying for a connection for my phone so I'll use that instead. I don't even want a big screen on the dashboard anyway, which means having navigation software built-in would be a worse experience than using what I already have.
- HDThoreaun 3y agoRemote start is extremely popular in cold or very hot climates so that the car feels nice when you get in.
- iainmerrick 3y agoMost of that you get better with your phone; the rest, I don't have, don't feel the lack, and wouldn't think to look for in a new car.
- bentcorner 3y agoSecurity notifications is probably the only thing on that list that actually requires internet (or some kind of connectivity). Even remote start doesn't need to be internet connected. Everything else can be solved using your phone/tablet. And yes, it undoubtedly would be a nicer experience to have navigation done entirely on the in-car display. But IMO in-car displays and interfaces are universally terrible.