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If you haven’t read Pale Fire, I really highly recommend it. It is really two stories in one: a wonderful epic poem about love and loss, and also a heartbreakin

If you haven’t read Pale Fire, I really highly recommend it. It is really two stories in one: a wonderful epic poem about love and loss, and also a heartbreaking tale of about a sad, lonely guy who lives off his grandiose delusions. The two stories are intertwined through a neat device. It’s very good.

javajosh 3y ago
>a sad, lonely guy who lives off his grandiose delusions So, a story about the modern internet.
- neffo 3y ago
  Twitter, specifically.
wzdd 3y ago
It is great, but, having read it before I saw 2049, I found references to it in the film pretentious. The article says that '"Pale Fire", like BR2049, is a story about a man who comes to the false conclusion that he is the protagonist of someone else's story.' This isn't what it's about and the interpretation in the film is one you could get from reading the first few lines of the poem the book contains but no other material.
- icambron 3y ago
  The comparison seems strained to me too, but I assume the article referred to Kinbote there, not Shade.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago
  This article was a strange read for me. The author claims to "really" (no, really) like Blade Runner 2049, and then admits that he hasn't read the novel upon which the film's universe is based, didn't know that a key scene in the movie was quoting a novel until recently, and did not read the quoted novel either. I wouldn't claim to like the movie as much as the author did, let alone write an article about, but I do like the movie a lot: I saw it three times in theaters (and it's long!). I read a bit of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" before getting bored, and have not read "Pale Fire", but I did recognize during my first watch that the lines of the baseline test were obviously a quotation, and the "Pale Fire" references were mentioned in just about every single movie review and discussion (because they were a bit ham-fisted). I guess I just don't understand how you could enjoy a piece of art so much, (and write articles about it!) without first checking out the art that it's based off of, the art that it explicitly references, or even reading a small amount of online discussion about it.
  - maeln 3y ago
    > This article was a strange read for me. The author claims to "really" (no, really) like Blade Runner 2049, and then admits that he hasn't read the novel upon which the film's universe is based, didn't know that a key scene in the movie was quoting a novel until recently, and did not read the quoted novel either. You can really like a piece of art without having or wanting to engage with its source material. Maybe you don't have the time, maybe you enjoy/understand a format more than another. Stating that you have to engage with the source material if you really enjoyed something is just elitism and gatekeeping.

javajosh 3y ago

>a sad, lonely guy who lives off his grandiose delusions So, a story about the modern internet.

neffo 3y ago
Twitter, specifically.

wzdd 3y ago

It is great, but, having read it before I saw 2049, I found references to it in the film pretentious. The article says that '"Pale Fire", like BR2049, is a story about a man who comes to the false conclusion that he is the protagonist of someone else's story.' This isn't what it's about and the interpretation in the film is one you could get from reading the first few lines of the poem the book contains but no other material.

icambron 3y ago
The comparison seems strained to me too, but I assume the article referred to Kinbote there, not Shade.
rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago
This article was a strange read for me. The author claims to "really" (no, really) like Blade Runner 2049, and then admits that he hasn't read the novel upon which the film's universe is based, didn't know that a key scene in the movie was quoting a novel until recently, and did not read the quoted novel either. I wouldn't claim to like the movie as much as the author did, let alone write an article about, but I do like the movie a lot: I saw it three times in theaters (and it's long!). I read a bit of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" before getting bored, and have not read "Pale Fire", but I did recognize during my first watch that the lines of the baseline test were obviously a quotation, and the "Pale Fire" references were mentioned in just about every single movie review and discussion (because they were a bit ham-fisted). I guess I just don't understand how you could enjoy a piece of art so much, (and write articles about it!) without first checking out the art that it's based off of, the art that it explicitly references, or even reading a small amount of online discussion about it.
- maeln 3y ago
  > This article was a strange read for me. The author claims to "really" (no, really) like Blade Runner 2049, and then admits that he hasn't read the novel upon which the film's universe is based, didn't know that a key scene in the movie was quoting a novel until recently, and did not read the quoted novel either. You can really like a piece of art without having or wanting to engage with its source material. Maybe you don't have the time, maybe you enjoy/understand a format more than another. Stating that you have to engage with the source material if you really enjoyed something is just elitism and gatekeeping.