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Please point it out? All I see is how much goes to the park, with the assumption the rest goes to recreation.gov, but just because the recreation.gov gets it d

by refurb 4y ago

Please point it out? All I see is how much goes to the park, with the assumption the rest goes to recreation.gov, but just because the recreation.gov gets it doesn't mean Booz Allen keeps it all.

jfengel 4y ago
Booz is recreation.gov.
- refurb 4y ago
  I get that, but Booz is a government contractor providing this service. Presumably there is some details in the contract that lay out where money collected goes. Some fees collected go to the Park Service, and some don't. Does Booz keep everything else? What are the contract details with the government?
kevviiinn 4y ago
Recreation.gov is Booz Allen
systems_glitch 4y ago
Article sez the gov't gets to collect $9 on a $10 entry for tickets that are awarded. Booz Allen keeps $10 entry on all tickets that aren't awarded. Apparently the award rate is around 3%. Booz Allen wouldn't have offered to design and run the whole thing "for free" if it wasn't immensely popular! They and others like them are not called "beltway bandits" for nothing.
- refurb 4y ago
  Booz Allen keeps $10 entry on all tickets that aren't awarded. But how do we know that's true. Has the author seen the contract between the government and Booz Allen?
  - 93po 4y ago
    From their own website: https://www.boozallen.com/s/insight/thought-leadership/reinventing-the-recreation-gov-customer-experience.html https://www.boozallen.com/s/insight/thought-leadership/reinv... > Recreation.gov was an investment for Booz Allen, designed collaboratively with participating agencies, but at no cost to the federal government. Instead of a traditional cost structure, the unique contractual agreement is a transaction-based fee model that lets the government and Booz Allen share in risk, reward, results, and impact. This is a true public-private partnership—it uses no government money. Of course they word this in a slimy, dishonest way. Boggles my mind that immediately after saying "no cost" they describe an "alternative cost structure", completely contradicting itself.
    - refurb 4y ago
      Ok, but the question still stands. The government doesn't pay anything, but it does it get a cut? Usually contracts are written in some way like "vendor will keep first $10M of fees, thereafter sharing 50% of fees"
    - 0xffff2 4y ago
      Oh come on. I don't know enough to have a real opinion on the overall situation, but surely you can see the difference between "no cost" and "no cost to the federal government".
      - MereInterest 4y ago
        Oh come on. I don't know enough to have a real opinion on the overall situation, but surely you can see the difference between "no cost to the federal government" and "no up-front monetary cost to the federal government".
        0xffff2 4y ago
        Do you have some evidence there is an actual cost to the Federal government? It seems to me the cost is entirely born by the users of the system.

by refurb 4y ago

Please point it out? All I see is how much goes to the park, with the assumption the rest goes to recreation.gov, but just because the recreation.gov gets it doesn't mean Booz Allen keeps it all.

jfengel 4y ago

Booz is recreation.gov.

refurb 4y ago
I get that, but Booz is a government contractor providing this service. Presumably there is some details in the contract that lay out where money collected goes. Some fees collected go to the Park Service, and some don't. Does Booz keep everything else? What are the contract details with the government?

kevviiinn 4y ago

Recreation.gov is Booz Allen

systems_glitch 4y ago

Article sez the gov't gets to collect $9 on a $10 entry for tickets that are awarded. Booz Allen keeps $10 entry on all tickets that aren't awarded. Apparently the award rate is around 3%. Booz Allen wouldn't have offered to design and run the whole thing "for free" if it wasn't immensely popular! They and others like them are not called "beltway bandits" for nothing.

refurb 4y ago
Booz Allen keeps $10 entry on all tickets that aren't awarded. But how do we know that's true. Has the author seen the contract between the government and Booz Allen?
- 93po 4y ago
  From their own website: https://www.boozallen.com/s/insight/thought-leadership/reinventing-the-recreation-gov-customer-experience.html https://www.boozallen.com/s/insight/thought-leadership/reinv... > Recreation.gov was an investment for Booz Allen, designed collaboratively with participating agencies, but at no cost to the federal government. Instead of a traditional cost structure, the unique contractual agreement is a transaction-based fee model that lets the government and Booz Allen share in risk, reward, results, and impact. This is a true public-private partnership—it uses no government money. Of course they word this in a slimy, dishonest way. Boggles my mind that immediately after saying "no cost" they describe an "alternative cost structure", completely contradicting itself.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Ok, but the question still stands. The government doesn't pay anything, but it does it get a cut? Usually contracts are written in some way like "vendor will keep first $10M of fees, thereafter sharing 50% of fees"
  - 0xffff2 4y ago
    Oh come on. I don't know enough to have a real opinion on the overall situation, but surely you can see the difference between "no cost" and "no cost to the federal government".
    - MereInterest 4y ago
      Oh come on. I don't know enough to have a real opinion on the overall situation, but surely you can see the difference between "no cost to the federal government" and "no up-front monetary cost to the federal government".
      - 0xffff2 4y ago
        Do you have some evidence there is an actual cost to the Federal government? It seems to me the cost is entirely born by the users of the system.