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- "According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, each year in the U.S., RSV leads to approximately 60,000-120,000 hospitalizations and 6,000

- "According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, each year in the U.S., RSV leads to approximately 60,000-120,000 hospitalizations and 6,000-10,000 deaths among adults 65 years of age and older." Those are respectively 0.1 – 0.2%, and 0.01% – 0.02%, annual risks for this subgroup (55 million persons). The OP discusses three studies, with a combined N of about 17,500 (12,500 + 2,500 + 2,500) (the non-placebo groups). They apparently attribute one death to this vaccine (in combination with an influenza vaccine), which is 0.006% of the participants of the three studies. I don't know how to interpret this. The FDA's endpoints are "RSV-associated [lower respiratory-tract disease]" and "severe RSV-associated LRTD". Okay. I guess they're ignoring mortality because its small-number statistics aren't meaningful to interpret. But then why endorse a vaccine at all, if the mortality rate is so low? You'd need a vastly larger study to answer the question "does this therapy increase or decrease the risk of death", because the probabilities are microscopic on both sides.

6nf 4y ago
Omicron covid for young people (under 50) has similar stats iirc
- elif 4y ago
  The covid vaccine has not been linked to any deaths under 50, and has been administered far more than 17K times.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    You should inform yourself more, because your statement is false. There are plenty studies monitoring covid vaccine injuries and deaths among youth. Numbers are high.
    - heliostatic 4y ago
      Feel free to cite studies supporting your claims (genuinely, not sarcasm, but making positive claims about factual matters can and should be supported by evidence).
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        I did it multiple times here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410
      - kabouseng 4y ago
        I think it is only fair, that since T0bia did list his studies, that elif also be asked to list his studies that zero deaths are linked to covid vaccinations...
        t0bia_s 4y ago
        It is simply not possible to have study about zero death from covid vaccines. Multiple user here has personal experience with death/injuries from covid vaccinations. Those studies I posted would be lies. And it's just a fragment. Somehow not covered by mass media. Probably because that would be open admission of complicity in the dissemination of false safety information about vaccines in recent years. Trust is fragile and loose when anecdotal evidence is differnet with official agenda.
        thephyber 4y ago
        > Somehow not covered by mass media. > Trust is fragile You already answered your own question. After the 2016 election, I became super interested in epistemology and how we learn things (including effects of trust and influence). In practice, we know almost nothing from first principles and we “know” almost everything because we heard/read it from sources we trust. The difficulty with COVID is that people who either trust or distrust the vaccines have strong priors and discussions like this thread don’t spend the time to understand each others priors, hence the reasons they trust different sources. Example: a pro-vaccine arguer probably understands that VAERS entries are not necessarily vetted, may represent post hoc ergo promoter hoc fallacies, and should be taken with a grain of salt. An arguer on the other side may assume that all VAERS entries represent a floor (perhaps many other side effects were somehow prevented from being reported). The truth is most likely somewhere in between the positions of the two arguers. > Trust is fragile and loose when anecdotal evidence is differnet with official agenda. Trust has little bearing on the objective truth. Most people trust other people who haven’t proven to be trustworthy. Your statement could be about fraud in the 2020 election. Despite low trust in the election (initially among Republicans, but that distrust has spread to independents and Democrats), no election fraud claims have withstood scrutiny. Repeatedly stating distrust has created more distrust, despite no more evidence that we should distrust it (since early 2021).
    - elif 4y ago
      In the 15-24 age group VAERS reports 14 deaths. That is not cause by vaccine, but deaths in the months following vaccination, including suicides and infections. These death totals do not substantially pass the baseline for expected deaths in that population. In none of these cases has spike protein been observed on heart tissue, which is the potential vector for vaccine induced myocarditis and can be performed visually under standard microscopy.
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410
  - 6nf 4y ago
    Are you kidding? No deaths from the covid vaccine in under 50s in the USA? That’s not the case here in Australia.
  - 6nf 4y ago
    Sad that people still live under fucking rocks like this. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-17/covid-vaccines-booster-astrazeneca-australian-deaths/101055494 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-17/covid-vaccines-booste... Wake the fuck up people are dying

6nf 4y ago

Omicron covid for young people (under 50) has similar stats iirc

elif 4y ago
The covid vaccine has not been linked to any deaths under 50, and has been administered far more than 17K times.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  You should inform yourself more, because your statement is false. There are plenty studies monitoring covid vaccine injuries and deaths among youth. Numbers are high.
  - heliostatic 4y ago
    Feel free to cite studies supporting your claims (genuinely, not sarcasm, but making positive claims about factual matters can and should be supported by evidence).
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      I did it multiple times here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410
    - kabouseng 4y ago
      I think it is only fair, that since T0bia did list his studies, that elif also be asked to list his studies that zero deaths are linked to covid vaccinations...
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        It is simply not possible to have study about zero death from covid vaccines. Multiple user here has personal experience with death/injuries from covid vaccinations. Those studies I posted would be lies. And it's just a fragment. Somehow not covered by mass media. Probably because that would be open admission of complicity in the dissemination of false safety information about vaccines in recent years. Trust is fragile and loose when anecdotal evidence is differnet with official agenda.
        thephyber 4y ago
        > Somehow not covered by mass media. > Trust is fragile You already answered your own question. After the 2016 election, I became super interested in epistemology and how we learn things (including effects of trust and influence). In practice, we know almost nothing from first principles and we “know” almost everything because we heard/read it from sources we trust. The difficulty with COVID is that people who either trust or distrust the vaccines have strong priors and discussions like this thread don’t spend the time to understand each others priors, hence the reasons they trust different sources. Example: a pro-vaccine arguer probably understands that VAERS entries are not necessarily vetted, may represent post hoc ergo promoter hoc fallacies, and should be taken with a grain of salt. An arguer on the other side may assume that all VAERS entries represent a floor (perhaps many other side effects were somehow prevented from being reported). The truth is most likely somewhere in between the positions of the two arguers. > Trust is fragile and loose when anecdotal evidence is differnet with official agenda. Trust has little bearing on the objective truth. Most people trust other people who haven’t proven to be trustworthy. Your statement could be about fraud in the 2020 election. Despite low trust in the election (initially among Republicans, but that distrust has spread to independents and Democrats), no election fraud claims have withstood scrutiny. Repeatedly stating distrust has created more distrust, despite no more evidence that we should distrust it (since early 2021).
  - elif 4y ago
    In the 15-24 age group VAERS reports 14 deaths. That is not cause by vaccine, but deaths in the months following vaccination, including suicides and infections. These death totals do not substantially pass the baseline for expected deaths in that population. In none of these cases has spike protein been observed on heart tissue, which is the potential vector for vaccine induced myocarditis and can be performed visually under standard microscopy.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35094410
- 6nf 4y ago
  Are you kidding? No deaths from the covid vaccine in under 50s in the USA? That’s not the case here in Australia.
- 6nf 4y ago
  Sad that people still live under fucking rocks like this. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-17/covid-vaccines-booster-astrazeneca-australian-deaths/101055494 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-17/covid-vaccines-booste... Wake the fuck up people are dying