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I’ll just add that there are two guilty parties in double parking: the person who does it, and the municipality which failed to provide adequate parking infrast

I’ll just add that there are two guilty parties in double parking: the person who does it, and the municipality which failed to provide adequate parking infrastructure to the town.

xorfish 4y ago
That is how you get to the current state of car dependence in the US. Parking costs a lot. It should not be subsidized.
adamlett 4y ago
We should encourage less driving for many reasons, which is why municipalities should have fewer, not more parking spaces. If there aren’t enough available parking spaces, that’s a failure of pricing. Increase the price of parking to a level where there is always an acceptable number of available parking spots.
- generic92034 4y ago
  > Increase the price of parking to a level where there is always an acceptable number of available parking spots. That would be favoring rich people, though.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    All methods of decreasing driving are unduly burdensome on the poor. That’s why I object to these policies: They’re middle class and up people advocating that other people bear the burden for what they want done — often times, burdening the more productive members of society who perform critical jobs. If you actually thought it was important, you’d take unilateral action… instead of making “tragedy of the commons” excuses and demanding authoritarian impositions on lower classes. That kind of entitlement by the bourgeoise is how we ended up with the worst governments in human history — and I’m sad to see us repeating it.
    - xorfish 4y ago
      Car dependence imposes a huge cost on the poor. With good public transportation and bicycle infrastructure, poor people wouldn't need a car. Reducing car dependence is a good thing for the poor.
    - adamlett 4y ago
      If only other countries existed that had implemented these policies, then we would have some evidence to indicate whether you were right or wrong.
    - marcinzm 4y ago
      The cost for unlimited public transportation in NYC is $127/month (not counting the 50% discount if you're extra poor). I dare you to prove that owning a car (depreciation, interest, gas, insurance, registration, taxes, tolls, maintenance, inspections, etc.) actually costs less than that per month.
  - adamlett 4y ago
    Possibly, but let’s not lose sight of the goal, which is to get people to drive less. There is no solution to this problem that allows everyone to keep driving the same amount as they always have! It may seem unfair that a small number of sufficiently wealthy people do not have to change their behavior, but enjoying privileges that are not available to most people is what it means to be wealthy. And in the meantime, the rest of us can console ourselves by remembering that if only rich people drive because only they can afford it, at least they are bearing the full cost of it, and hopefully the money they pay will go to something all of us benefit from.
  - CalRobert 4y ago
    So?
marcinzm 4y ago
You're free to use many of the available paid parking options which charge at the appropriate market rate for land in the areas.
- user3939382 4y ago
  Found the guy that’s never been to Hoboken.
ethanbond 4y ago
It’s not the public’s job to provide storage for private citizens’ items
CalRobert 4y ago
This is why I park my helicopter wherever I please as well, because of course, it's the municipality's responsibility to provide storage for my private vehicle.

I’ll just add that there are two guilty parties in double parking: the person who does it, and the municipality which failed to provide adequate parking infrastructure to the town.

xorfish 4y ago

That is how you get to the current state of car dependence in the US. Parking costs a lot. It should not be subsidized.

adamlett 4y ago

We should encourage less driving for many reasons, which is why municipalities should have fewer, not more parking spaces. If there aren’t enough available parking spaces, that’s a failure of pricing. Increase the price of parking to a level where there is always an acceptable number of available parking spots.

generic92034 4y ago
> Increase the price of parking to a level where there is always an acceptable number of available parking spots. That would be favoring rich people, though.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  All methods of decreasing driving are unduly burdensome on the poor. That’s why I object to these policies: They’re middle class and up people advocating that other people bear the burden for what they want done — often times, burdening the more productive members of society who perform critical jobs. If you actually thought it was important, you’d take unilateral action… instead of making “tragedy of the commons” excuses and demanding authoritarian impositions on lower classes. That kind of entitlement by the bourgeoise is how we ended up with the worst governments in human history — and I’m sad to see us repeating it.
  - xorfish 4y ago
    Car dependence imposes a huge cost on the poor. With good public transportation and bicycle infrastructure, poor people wouldn't need a car. Reducing car dependence is a good thing for the poor.
  - adamlett 4y ago
    If only other countries existed that had implemented these policies, then we would have some evidence to indicate whether you were right or wrong.
  - marcinzm 4y ago
    The cost for unlimited public transportation in NYC is $127/month (not counting the 50% discount if you're extra poor). I dare you to prove that owning a car (depreciation, interest, gas, insurance, registration, taxes, tolls, maintenance, inspections, etc.) actually costs less than that per month.
- adamlett 4y ago
  Possibly, but let’s not lose sight of the goal, which is to get people to drive less. There is no solution to this problem that allows everyone to keep driving the same amount as they always have! It may seem unfair that a small number of sufficiently wealthy people do not have to change their behavior, but enjoying privileges that are not available to most people is what it means to be wealthy. And in the meantime, the rest of us can console ourselves by remembering that if only rich people drive because only they can afford it, at least they are bearing the full cost of it, and hopefully the money they pay will go to something all of us benefit from.
- CalRobert 4y ago
  So?

marcinzm 4y ago

You're free to use many of the available paid parking options which charge at the appropriate market rate for land in the areas.

user3939382 4y ago
Found the guy that’s never been to Hoboken.

ethanbond 4y ago

It’s not the public’s job to provide storage for private citizens’ items

CalRobert 4y ago

This is why I park my helicopter wherever I please as well, because of course, it's the municipality's responsibility to provide storage for my private vehicle.