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Great. Facilitating more piracy. Can't people wait at least until the successor is out? I understand that it's a good way to put your name out there by being th

Great. Facilitating more piracy. Can't people wait at least until the successor is out? I understand that it's a good way to put your name out there by being the first to do a certain thing and upload to GitHub but it's also just wrong. Also am I stupid for buying a switch instead of emulating it?

egoisticalgoat 3y ago
While piracy is the most common use, it's not the only use for emulators. There's also the speedrunning communities, as well as modding communities which are steadily growing.
solanav 3y ago
Yeah, we should restrict the creation of emulation software to authorized parties only. /s
der_rod 3y ago
> Also am I stupid for buying a switch instead of emulating it? No, while the emulation is pretty good, it's not perfect, and new titles won't always run out of the box. And things like online multiplayer naturally don't work. A Switch is a guaranteed-to-work way to play those titles, and arguably more convenient if you actually use the portability of it. There are of course non-piracy ways to use them. I own a hackable Switch and have dumped the games I purchased so I can play them in an emulator on my Steam Deck. But not every title will run perfectly that way, so sometimes the Switch is the only portable way of actually playing them.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago
  > And things like online multiplayer naturally don't work. A Switch is a guaranteed-to-work way to play those titles Online multiplayer won't work on a Switch either. It's a separate paid subscription service.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 3y ago
  Online technically works on yuzu - it emulates the same capabilities as switches connected to each others locally. This doesn't mean there are no issues. A PC and a Steam Deck running Mario Kart will have desync issues due to the Deck not hitting 60fps 100% of the time resulting in a quick connection loss.
  - noirscape 3y ago
    It doesn't, that's a different feature called LAN play. LAN play mostly exists to be able to reliably connect Switches to each other at tournaments and such (which is why you find it more frequently in competitive games). It doesn't connect to Nintendo's servers, it just looks for other devices on the same network for local play purposes. Its not the same thing as regular local multiplayer, that's a different feature. You can somewhat trivially intercept this using DNS if you want to do long-distance co-op, but it's absurdly jank from my experience. Also both Ryujinx and Yuzu support connecting with LDN_mitm which well, man-in-the-middles the LDN sysmodule on hacked Switch devices to enable the same thing as LAN play interception but then for titles that don't support LAN play.
CrampusDestrus 3y ago
>Can't people wait at least until the successor is out? can't Nintendo get a clue and make a retrocompatible newer model which does not have the processing power of a potato?
VerminOctopus1 3y ago
Genuinely baffled that there are people out there that think emulation is “wrong”. Emulation is a civic good, full stop. To assert some kind of moral high ground against emulation is absurd. These multi-billion dollar corporations cannot be trusted to maintain their digital storefronts or the ability to play games into the future. This has been shown time and time again as Nintendo et al. have shuttered eshops, dropped support for consoles, and removed titles from circulation. Video game history and its preservation fully depend on emulation efforts from the community.
- timwaagh 3y ago
  Yes I'm aware switch games won't be forever and that's sad. I wish Nintendo was a little better in that regard. But I do not subscribe to the idea that these are multi billion dollar corporations and hence we can do basically whatever we want to them. In reality you are not hurting the CEO of Nintendo much but instead the ultimate beneficiaries ie Japanese grandmas whose pension fund happens to hold Nintendo shares.
  - red1reaper 3y ago
    The idea of a pension depending on shares of a company can be argued to be morally dubious way to do pensions.
  - Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
    Pensions are all bankrupt pyramid schemes who need new suckers (workers) to pay in so the scheme can pay out to the retirees.
    - timwaagh 3y ago
      That really varies by region
- _piif 3y ago
  Agreed. Especially today where games are often bound to digital stores which are essentially a ticking time bomb. What happens to all your bought games once the owner loses interest and shuts down the store + online services? Unless you are able to emulate them they will most likely be gone forever, lost to history.
cubefox 3y ago
It's sad how many people here lose their ethical compass and reach for rationalizations (homebrew!) when it comes to something that is clearly mainly used for software piracy.
- goda90 3y ago
  I own a Wii U. I own a copy of Breath of the Wild for Wii U, a game still sold for the Switch. Is it unethical if I dump the files for Breath of the Wild from my Wii U to run with Cemu on my Steam Deck?
  - cubefox 3y ago
    No, but that's not how most people use Switch emulators.
    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      I'm sure there's a survey of Switch emulator users you can cite to support this claim, right?
      - cubefox 3y ago
        Beware Isolated Demands for Rigor: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demand...
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        So, no. The answer is no. There is no way for you to, with the certainty you did, say what you said. You have absolutely no way of actually knowing what people use emulators for, and you're just pulling it out of your ass and pretending it's the absolute truth.
        cubefox 3y ago
MegaDeKay 3y ago
> Also am I stupid for buying a switch instead of emulating it? For me, the form factor counts for a lot. That is part of the experience. The Switch itself also makes a great emulation platform for gaming on the go.

egoisticalgoat 3y ago

While piracy is the most common use, it's not the only use for emulators. There's also the speedrunning communities, as well as modding communities which are steadily growing.

solanav 3y ago

Yeah, we should restrict the creation of emulation software to authorized parties only. /s

der_rod 3y ago

> Also am I stupid for buying a switch instead of emulating it? No, while the emulation is pretty good, it's not perfect, and new titles won't always run out of the box. And things like online multiplayer naturally don't work. A Switch is a guaranteed-to-work way to play those titles, and arguably more convenient if you actually use the portability of it. There are of course non-piracy ways to use them. I own a hackable Switch and have dumped the games I purchased so I can play them in an emulator on my Steam Deck. But not every title will run perfectly that way, so sometimes the Switch is the only portable way of actually playing them.

thaumasiotes 3y ago
> And things like online multiplayer naturally don't work. A Switch is a guaranteed-to-work way to play those titles Online multiplayer won't work on a Switch either. It's a separate paid subscription service.
ThatMedicIsASpy 3y ago
Online technically works on yuzu - it emulates the same capabilities as switches connected to each others locally. This doesn't mean there are no issues. A PC and a Steam Deck running Mario Kart will have desync issues due to the Deck not hitting 60fps 100% of the time resulting in a quick connection loss.
- noirscape 3y ago
  It doesn't, that's a different feature called LAN play. LAN play mostly exists to be able to reliably connect Switches to each other at tournaments and such (which is why you find it more frequently in competitive games). It doesn't connect to Nintendo's servers, it just looks for other devices on the same network for local play purposes. Its not the same thing as regular local multiplayer, that's a different feature. You can somewhat trivially intercept this using DNS if you want to do long-distance co-op, but it's absurdly jank from my experience. Also both Ryujinx and Yuzu support connecting with LDN_mitm which well, man-in-the-middles the LDN sysmodule on hacked Switch devices to enable the same thing as LAN play interception but then for titles that don't support LAN play.

CrampusDestrus 3y ago

>Can't people wait at least until the successor is out? can't Nintendo get a clue and make a retrocompatible newer model which does not have the processing power of a potato?

VerminOctopus1 3y ago

Genuinely baffled that there are people out there that think emulation is “wrong”. Emulation is a civic good, full stop. To assert some kind of moral high ground against emulation is absurd. These multi-billion dollar corporations cannot be trusted to maintain their digital storefronts or the ability to play games into the future. This has been shown time and time again as Nintendo et al. have shuttered eshops, dropped support for consoles, and removed titles from circulation. Video game history and its preservation fully depend on emulation efforts from the community.

timwaagh 3y ago
Yes I'm aware switch games won't be forever and that's sad. I wish Nintendo was a little better in that regard. But I do not subscribe to the idea that these are multi billion dollar corporations and hence we can do basically whatever we want to them. In reality you are not hurting the CEO of Nintendo much but instead the ultimate beneficiaries ie Japanese grandmas whose pension fund happens to hold Nintendo shares.
- red1reaper 3y ago
  The idea of a pension depending on shares of a company can be argued to be morally dubious way to do pensions.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
  Pensions are all bankrupt pyramid schemes who need new suckers (workers) to pay in so the scheme can pay out to the retirees.
  - timwaagh 3y ago
    That really varies by region
_piif 3y ago
Agreed. Especially today where games are often bound to digital stores which are essentially a ticking time bomb. What happens to all your bought games once the owner loses interest and shuts down the store + online services? Unless you are able to emulate them they will most likely be gone forever, lost to history.

cubefox 3y ago

It's sad how many people here lose their ethical compass and reach for rationalizations (homebrew!) when it comes to something that is clearly mainly used for software piracy.

goda90 3y ago
I own a Wii U. I own a copy of Breath of the Wild for Wii U, a game still sold for the Switch. Is it unethical if I dump the files for Breath of the Wild from my Wii U to run with Cemu on my Steam Deck?
- cubefox 3y ago
  No, but that's not how most people use Switch emulators.
  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    I'm sure there's a survey of Switch emulator users you can cite to support this claim, right?
    - cubefox 3y ago
      Beware Isolated Demands for Rigor: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demands-for-rigor/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demand...
      - mynameisvlad 3y ago
        So, no. The answer is no. There is no way for you to, with the certainty you did, say what you said. You have absolutely no way of actually knowing what people use emulators for, and you're just pulling it out of your ass and pretending it's the absolute truth.
        cubefox 3y ago

MegaDeKay 3y ago

> Also am I stupid for buying a switch instead of emulating it? For me, the form factor counts for a lot. That is part of the experience. The Switch itself also makes a great emulation platform for gaming on the go.