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Sigh... they have perfectly legitimate uses too. You can't play Zelda in 4K @ 60fps on a switch... I really wish this angle of thought would die. Stop parrotin

Sigh... they have perfectly legitimate uses too. You can't play Zelda in 4K @ 60fps on a switch... I really wish this angle of thought would die. Stop parroting what the business fucks tell you.

Freire_Herval 3y ago
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nalzok 3y ago
Maybe make a pull request to the repo with what you said in the comment so that people like me don't have to ask this question in the first place? I assume this is a very frequently asked question.
- pdntspa 3y ago
  For what? To ask them to add a disclaimer to pretty please not use it for piracy? Emulation is completely legal in the US. Its legality has been challenged in court and it won.
- rowanG077 3y ago
  This is so common it's basically ask for the sake of asking. It's just weird.
  - nalzok 3y ago
    Seriously? I guess it's common sense among people living in the U.S, but as an international student I honestly didn't know it's legal to emulate a proprietary system.
    - rowanG077 3y ago
      I'm not from the US either. Is it illegal in your home country? I haven't heard of any country where it's illegal, so I'm surprised this is your default stance.
    - scheeseman486 3y ago
      You've used PCs? That entire ecosystem is built upon IBM-PC clones running a reverse engineered version of IBM's proprietary BIOS. Not quite emulation, but many of the same principles at work. Sony v Bleem! solidified the status of game console emulators, though Bleem! declared bankruptcy they won. At the moment, there's a game compilation being sold on the Switch and other platforms called Disney Classic Games Collection. It contains emulators and ROMs stripped of the trademarks of their host systems, with the emulators created without the involvement of them too. Nintendo can't do anything about third parties emulating their hardware without also threatening the legal status of software released by their partners, which include Disney, but that's just one example. Suffice to say that even if you argue that Yuzu/Ryujinx step over the line, the foundations for all this are fragile enough that no one wants to rock the boat.
    - johnny22 3y ago
      if we didn't have that, we wouldn't have wine or anything else that emulates ANY api and google wouldn't have been able to build dalvik for android. Potentially not even the free unices like freebsd or linux.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  Might as well add a definition of "emulator" at that rate.
- johnny22 3y ago
  the docs exactly start by telling you how to dump your switch and absolutely do not tell you how to pirate games.
cubefox 3y ago
> Sigh... they have perfectly legitimate uses too. The existence of those is a fig leaf for what Switch emulators are used in the vast majority of cases: piracy. There are much better ways to run homebrew than the Switch. If you think piracy of currently sold games is in fact ethical, or if you simply don't care about copyright, than please say so explicitly!
- animuchan 3y ago
  I think that there's no suitable ethics system to apply to large game developers / publishers, responsible for the predatory tactics such as - Microtransactions - Pay to win, punishing players for not having ample disposable income - Lootboxes and the like ("baby's first casino") - Blatant false advertising, especially coupled with preorders Some of these predatory practices are actually illegal in some countries, but aren't prosecuted universally enough (or harshly enough) to be considered an issue by large corpos. If openly preying on your customers, — in no small part, children and teenagers, — for huge profits is considered ethical, then merely copying some files is downright angelic behavior, is it not?
  - cubefox 3y ago
    No, you have the right to boycott a service if you don't like it, not take it for free. Apart from that, I doubt Nintendo engages in the practices you mention.
    - animuchan 3y ago
      The parent comment talked about ethics, which is largely unrelated to rights (you might have the right to a thing that's entirely unethical, such as owning slaves in the American history). Given the current laws you are correct, sure. (Whether to follow each and every law is a quite a personal choice...) The majority of games for Switch aren't worked on by Nintendo, so that point seems tangential.
      - cubefox 3y ago

Sigh... they have perfectly legitimate uses too. You can't play Zelda in 4K @ 60fps on a switch... I really wish this angle of thought would die. Stop parroting what the business fucks tell you.

Freire_Herval 3y ago

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nalzok 3y ago

Maybe make a pull request to the repo with what you said in the comment so that people like me don't have to ask this question in the first place? I assume this is a very frequently asked question.

pdntspa 3y ago
For what? To ask them to add a disclaimer to pretty please not use it for piracy? Emulation is completely legal in the US. Its legality has been challenged in court and it won.
rowanG077 3y ago
This is so common it's basically ask for the sake of asking. It's just weird.
- nalzok 3y ago
  Seriously? I guess it's common sense among people living in the U.S, but as an international student I honestly didn't know it's legal to emulate a proprietary system.
  - rowanG077 3y ago
    I'm not from the US either. Is it illegal in your home country? I haven't heard of any country where it's illegal, so I'm surprised this is your default stance.
  - scheeseman486 3y ago
    You've used PCs? That entire ecosystem is built upon IBM-PC clones running a reverse engineered version of IBM's proprietary BIOS. Not quite emulation, but many of the same principles at work. Sony v Bleem! solidified the status of game console emulators, though Bleem! declared bankruptcy they won. At the moment, there's a game compilation being sold on the Switch and other platforms called Disney Classic Games Collection. It contains emulators and ROMs stripped of the trademarks of their host systems, with the emulators created without the involvement of them too. Nintendo can't do anything about third parties emulating their hardware without also threatening the legal status of software released by their partners, which include Disney, but that's just one example. Suffice to say that even if you argue that Yuzu/Ryujinx step over the line, the foundations for all this are fragile enough that no one wants to rock the boat.
  - johnny22 3y ago
    if we didn't have that, we wouldn't have wine or anything else that emulates ANY api and google wouldn't have been able to build dalvik for android. Potentially not even the free unices like freebsd or linux.
emodendroket 3y ago
Might as well add a definition of "emulator" at that rate.
johnny22 3y ago
the docs exactly start by telling you how to dump your switch and absolutely do not tell you how to pirate games.

cubefox 3y ago

> Sigh... they have perfectly legitimate uses too. The existence of those is a fig leaf for what Switch emulators are used in the vast majority of cases: piracy. There are much better ways to run homebrew than the Switch. If you think piracy of currently sold games is in fact ethical, or if you simply don't care about copyright, than please say so explicitly!

animuchan 3y ago
I think that there's no suitable ethics system to apply to large game developers / publishers, responsible for the predatory tactics such as - Microtransactions - Pay to win, punishing players for not having ample disposable income - Lootboxes and the like ("baby's first casino") - Blatant false advertising, especially coupled with preorders Some of these predatory practices are actually illegal in some countries, but aren't prosecuted universally enough (or harshly enough) to be considered an issue by large corpos. If openly preying on your customers, — in no small part, children and teenagers, — for huge profits is considered ethical, then merely copying some files is downright angelic behavior, is it not?
- cubefox 3y ago
  No, you have the right to boycott a service if you don't like it, not take it for free. Apart from that, I doubt Nintendo engages in the practices you mention.
  - animuchan 3y ago
    The parent comment talked about ethics, which is largely unrelated to rights (you might have the right to a thing that's entirely unethical, such as owning slaves in the American history). Given the current laws you are correct, sure. (Whether to follow each and every law is a quite a personal choice...) The majority of games for Switch aren't worked on by Nintendo, so that point seems tangential.
    - cubefox 3y ago