> 2. When you say 'workers at McJobs', I presume you mean those performing low-skill service jobs. AIUI[0], very few recent college graduates enter those jobs,

> 2. When you say 'workers at McJobs', I presume you mean those performing low-skill service jobs. AIUI[0], very few recent college graduates enter those jobs, so they're probably not a useful reference group. You are appearing to argue that comparing teacher salaries against all jobs is better justified than comparing against those requiring bachelor's degrees. Therefore, you are the one arguing for the inclusion of McJobs. "And teachers' unions explicitly accept this. They compare teachers' salaries not to median salaries in the country, but to salaries for people with bachelors degrees, or masters degrees." At the same time, we've shown on a metric you value (that I don't for this purpose-- SAT scores) that teachers likely outperform median college graduates. If we're going to compare comp, why should they not be compared to equivalently educated people?