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Everyone should spend 1-2% of their yearly salary on a lawyer whenever they sign an employment contract? The world is so fucked.

HarryHirsch 4y ago
In the past, the employer's lawyer would negotiate with the union's lawyer, but we can't have nice things.
- junofan 4y ago
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  - drewcoo 4y ago
    Downvoted because I'm tired of seeing anti-union propaganda on Hacker News. Can we stop yet? Please?
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  And you paid 3%/year for that union lawyer to write a contract that suits her friends (union insiders), probably at your expense. I'll pay the 1% once, thanks.
  - noobermin 3y ago
    You're literally just pulling numbers out of thin air here.
    - SideQuark 3y ago
      It's not hard to check union dues avg a few percent of income per year. Over a 5 year job this is an order of magnitude more paid out of your salary than the once paid alternative listed here.
      - HarryHirsch 3y ago
        The collective weight of the union as a counterweight to employer power and overreach is also wirth something. In a dispute with your employer, HR is never on your side, but the union is.
        pclmulqdq 3y ago
        People need to stop going to HR with their problems, in general. A nice letter from whoever did your contract review works a lot better if you aren't at a union shop, and also isn't very expensive.
    - pclmulqdq 3y ago
      The 1% is from the comment I responded to (and is actually higher than my past experience - employment contracts are really easy to read). The 3% is from an average of union dues.
pclmulqdq 4y ago
Do you want to spend 1% upfront or 100% later? As I said in another comment, employment contract review is often $300-1000, and lawyers will do it for free if they like you.
- cortesoft 4y ago
  That’s not the calculation. It is, do you want pay 1% now or have a 0.5% chance of paying 100% later. Most people don’t have a lawyer look over their employment contract, and most people don’t get screwed over like this when they don’t. That is not a cut and dry situation. Honestly, some kind of insurance would probably be more cost effective.
  - singleshot_ 3y ago
    Most people do not have an employment contract. If you do, a lawyer should definitely review it.

HarryHirsch 4y ago

In the past, the employer's lawyer would negotiate with the union's lawyer, but we can't have nice things.

junofan 4y ago
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- drewcoo 4y ago
  Downvoted because I'm tired of seeing anti-union propaganda on Hacker News. Can we stop yet? Please?
pclmulqdq 4y ago
And you paid 3%/year for that union lawyer to write a contract that suits her friends (union insiders), probably at your expense. I'll pay the 1% once, thanks.
- noobermin 3y ago
  You're literally just pulling numbers out of thin air here.
  - SideQuark 3y ago
    It's not hard to check union dues avg a few percent of income per year. Over a 5 year job this is an order of magnitude more paid out of your salary than the once paid alternative listed here.
    - HarryHirsch 3y ago
      The collective weight of the union as a counterweight to employer power and overreach is also wirth something. In a dispute with your employer, HR is never on your side, but the union is.
      - pclmulqdq 3y ago
        People need to stop going to HR with their problems, in general. A nice letter from whoever did your contract review works a lot better if you aren't at a union shop, and also isn't very expensive.
  - pclmulqdq 3y ago
    The 1% is from the comment I responded to (and is actually higher than my past experience - employment contracts are really easy to read). The 3% is from an average of union dues.

pclmulqdq 4y ago

Do you want to spend 1% upfront or 100% later? As I said in another comment, employment contract review is often $300-1000, and lawyers will do it for free if they like you.

cortesoft 4y ago
That’s not the calculation. It is, do you want pay 1% now or have a 0.5% chance of paying 100% later. Most people don’t have a lawyer look over their employment contract, and most people don’t get screwed over like this when they don’t. That is not a cut and dry situation. Honestly, some kind of insurance would probably be more cost effective.
- singleshot_ 3y ago
  Most people do not have an employment contract. If you do, a lawyer should definitely review it.