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I have only found one piece of research that studies teacher SAT scores, and it seems to refute your core assertion that teachers have lower SAT scores than ave

by mlyle 4y ago

I have only found one piece of research that studies teacher SAT scores, and it seems to refute your core assertion that teachers have lower SAT scores than average graduates--- at least for New York state, where we have the data: https://cepa.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Who%20Enters%20Teaching%202014.11.18.pdf https://cepa.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/Who%20Enters%2... Especially for high status districts (like SFUSD), it looks like teachers are disproportionately drawn from the upper third of scorers.

rahimnathwani 4y ago
It seems like teachers' SAT scores are about average among all test-takers. The College Board defines 'college ready' as 1010 or above[1]. From the most recent College Board report[0] (page 4), the average score for those taking the SAT in their final year of high school is 1050. (I couldn't quickly find the corresponding number for 2010, but AIUI SAT scores are quite stable over time.) From the paper you quoted, the average score for teachers is 1030 or 1064, depending on what you look at: Between 1999 and 2010, however, average scores for those certified increases 27 points to a score of 1030 but the average score for entering teachers increases 65 points to a score of 1064. [0] https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-... [1] https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/k12-educators/about/understand-scores-benchmarks/benchmarks https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/k12-educators/about/unders...
- mlyle 4y ago
  > but AIUI SAT scores are quite stable over time.) No. There was a major test format change a few years ago, in addition to students becoming more qualified in general. Reading scores moved from a mean of 500 to 529. Math scores have moved from a mean of 515 to 521. There's been a 35 point progression in the mean in that time. > for those taking the SAT in their final year of high school Yes, but a very large proportion of people just use their early junior year SAT score. So you're comparing a "final year of high school" vs "whatever year teachers took it in" > From the paper you quoted, the average score for teachers is 1030 or 1064, depending on what you look at You're missing the point of the paper. The people who actually progress to teach have a higher score than those who obtain a credential (many of whom do not successfully enter the teaching profession). And, of course, note that teachers in desirable districts are substantially above the mean.

by mlyle 4y ago

rahimnathwani 4y ago

It seems like teachers' SAT scores are about average among all test-takers. The College Board defines 'college ready' as 1010 or above[1]. From the most recent College Board report[0] (page 4), the average score for those taking the SAT in their final year of high school is 1050. (I couldn't quickly find the corresponding number for 2010, but AIUI SAT scores are quite stable over time.) From the paper you quoted, the average score for teachers is 1030 or 1064, depending on what you look at: Between 1999 and 2010, however, average scores for those certified increases 27 points to a score of 1030 but the average score for entering teachers increases 65 points to a score of 1064. [0] https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-... [1] https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/k12-educators/about/understand-scores-benchmarks/benchmarks https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/k12-educators/about/unders...

mlyle 4y ago
> but AIUI SAT scores are quite stable over time.) No. There was a major test format change a few years ago, in addition to students becoming more qualified in general. Reading scores moved from a mean of 500 to 529. Math scores have moved from a mean of 515 to 521. There's been a 35 point progression in the mean in that time. > for those taking the SAT in their final year of high school Yes, but a very large proportion of people just use their early junior year SAT score. So you're comparing a "final year of high school" vs "whatever year teachers took it in" > From the paper you quoted, the average score for teachers is 1030 or 1064, depending on what you look at You're missing the point of the paper. The people who actually progress to teach have a higher score than those who obtain a credential (many of whom do not successfully enter the teaching profession). And, of course, note that teachers in desirable districts are substantially above the mean.