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Listen to the podcast The Past Times (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxZpxxEwKUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxZpxxEwKUI). Newspapers were fucking insane,

Listen to the podcast The Past Times (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxZpxxEwKUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxZpxxEwKUI). Newspapers were fucking insane, ridiculous, just bizarrely biased and terribly organized. But they did record how, like, judges and lawyers would regularly get shitfaced in a pub and decide cases until 3 in the morning. So maybe it's more useful than we think.

atdrummond 3y ago
Picking an episode with Adam Conover is a great way to discourage people from listening to the podcast.
- user_7832 3y ago
  Genuine question- why do people dislike him?
  - DiscourseFan 3y ago
    I don't dislike him but I find that he comes off as very in-your-face and preachy, not offering you ideas to think about and consider on your own.
  - jmkni 3y ago
    Why do people dislike the ‘I am right about everything’ guy who frequently gets things wrong?
jccalhoun 3y ago
I haven't heard this podcast but whenever someone says "news used to be objective!" it just proves they don't know what they are talking about.
- catiopatio 3y ago
  For a brief but significant period of US history, the news-gathering field at least endeavored towards objectivity. Now they don’t even try. That’s what people are complaining about.
  - krapp 3y ago
    >For a brief but significant period of US history, the news-gathering field at least endeavored towards objectivity. What leads you to believe this?
    - catiopatio 3y ago
      What leads you to believe otherwise, given that this is extremely well-documented, and many of us lived through at least part of that era? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalistic_objectivity#History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalistic_objectivity#His... I was also married to a (now former) WSJ reporter with a master’s in journalism. To claim that journalistic objectivity was not a thing is so ignorantly wrong, it could only be a product of the modern clickbait propaganda that has taken its place.
      - krapp 3y ago
        You (and I) lived through an era when media was tightly controlled by a few corporations and influenced by CIA propaganda operations. People think it was objective because there were no alternatives available to compare it to. And now that there are, the examples of American media fabricating stories, getting stories wrong, blindly repeating corporate or government propaganda or failing to look critically (or even intelligently) at the narratives they spread are so numerous that to assume we live in an anomalous phase of media corruption seems far less likely than that media has always been like this and people are only now aware of just how utterly rotten it all is. That's all the evidence anyone needs.
  - jccalhoun 3y ago
    I do not have the faith that the overwhelming majority of people who complain about lack of objectivity in news know anything about the history of journalism.

atdrummond 3y ago

Picking an episode with Adam Conover is a great way to discourage people from listening to the podcast.

user_7832 3y ago
Genuine question- why do people dislike him?
- DiscourseFan 3y ago
  I don't dislike him but I find that he comes off as very in-your-face and preachy, not offering you ideas to think about and consider on your own.
- jmkni 3y ago
  Why do people dislike the ‘I am right about everything’ guy who frequently gets things wrong?

jccalhoun 3y ago

I haven't heard this podcast but whenever someone says "news used to be objective!" it just proves they don't know what they are talking about.

catiopatio 3y ago
For a brief but significant period of US history, the news-gathering field at least endeavored towards objectivity. Now they don’t even try. That’s what people are complaining about.
- krapp 3y ago
  >For a brief but significant period of US history, the news-gathering field at least endeavored towards objectivity. What leads you to believe this?
  - catiopatio 3y ago
    What leads you to believe otherwise, given that this is extremely well-documented, and many of us lived through at least part of that era? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalistic_objectivity#History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalistic_objectivity#His... I was also married to a (now former) WSJ reporter with a master’s in journalism. To claim that journalistic objectivity was not a thing is so ignorantly wrong, it could only be a product of the modern clickbait propaganda that has taken its place.
    - krapp 3y ago
      You (and I) lived through an era when media was tightly controlled by a few corporations and influenced by CIA propaganda operations. People think it was objective because there were no alternatives available to compare it to. And now that there are, the examples of American media fabricating stories, getting stories wrong, blindly repeating corporate or government propaganda or failing to look critically (or even intelligently) at the narratives they spread are so numerous that to assume we live in an anomalous phase of media corruption seems far less likely than that media has always been like this and people are only now aware of just how utterly rotten it all is. That's all the evidence anyone needs.
- jccalhoun 3y ago
  I do not have the faith that the overwhelming majority of people who complain about lack of objectivity in news know anything about the history of journalism.