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(Kagi founder) Kagi never did bait and switch tactics and certainly doesn’t have a “history” of this. This is the third time you are accusing Kagi using the s

(Kagi founder) Kagi never did bait and switch tactics and certainly doesn’t have a “history” of this. This is the third time you are accusing Kagi using the same words although I have addressed this already in a comment to you before [1] I would like to ask you to stop spreading this nonsense or at least substantiate your claims so that we can have a discussion. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35684449 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35684449

csdvrx 4y ago
While you're here, may I ask you a question? I like duckduckgo but now I prefer bing, mostly for the bing chat inclusion. Yet I miss the ! shortcuts from DDG, and after trying it at a friend, I'd like to use Kagi too (so yes, I want everything and the kitchensync) Would you have a product that would also use ! shortcuts and do some bing chat like search on top of Kagi? By bing chat, I mean not just openai, but doing queries to augment the answer. I'd be happy to pay for it, especially if you offered an API to specify a few basics (ex: what is XX? Please augment your answer using results using this search query:" ")
- pbronez 4y ago
  Kagi doesn’t have a chatbot, but they have recently added some thoughtful Generative AI features. They tend to start with the search results and then summarize. See https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search
kid64 4y ago
Great, I think we deserve an honest discussion about this. When you say "hey my product is $10/month, please adopt it", users are going to factor that pricing information into their decision of whether to adopt the product. That's the bait. Later, once you have persuaded the consumer to adopt your product, changing the terms in a way that are significantly less favorable to the consumer (the switch) has the appearance of fraud. You further misrepresent Kagi as some kind of expert in the search space, while presenting a bait and switch defense basically stating that you're only now learning the "realities of the search market". So, which is it? Isn't "we didn't know the realities of _____ market" just a cop out that anyone committing fraud can claim? Why not grandfather in your early adopters? I think if you could answer some of these questions in good faith it would go a long way -- as it stands you're just embarrassing your organization.

csdvrx 4y ago

While you're here, may I ask you a question? I like duckduckgo but now I prefer bing, mostly for the bing chat inclusion. Yet I miss the ! shortcuts from DDG, and after trying it at a friend, I'd like to use Kagi too (so yes, I want everything and the kitchensync) Would you have a product that would also use ! shortcuts and do some bing chat like search on top of Kagi? By bing chat, I mean not just openai, but doing queries to augment the answer. I'd be happy to pay for it, especially if you offered an API to specify a few basics (ex: what is XX? Please augment your answer using results using this search query:" ")

pbronez 4y ago
Kagi doesn’t have a chatbot, but they have recently added some thoughtful Generative AI features. They tend to start with the search results and then summarize. See https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search

kid64 4y ago

Great, I think we deserve an honest discussion about this. When you say "hey my product is $10/month, please adopt it", users are going to factor that pricing information into their decision of whether to adopt the product. That's the bait. Later, once you have persuaded the consumer to adopt your product, changing the terms in a way that are significantly less favorable to the consumer (the switch) has the appearance of fraud. You further misrepresent Kagi as some kind of expert in the search space, while presenting a bait and switch defense basically stating that you're only now learning the "realities of the search market". So, which is it? Isn't "we didn't know the realities of _____ market" just a cop out that anyone committing fraud can claim? Why not grandfather in your early adopters? I think if you could answer some of these questions in good faith it would go a long way -- as it stands you're just embarrassing your organization.