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Activists face felonies for distributing flyers on “Cop City” protester killing

41 points by l3mure 3y ago

local_crmdgeon 3y ago
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- deleted 3y ago
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- data-abuse 3y ago
  Too bad its not going to reported on by anyone else
pshirshov 3y ago
Oh, that reminds me russia so much.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  The US is much more similar to Russia and China than most Americans realize.
  - runlaszlorun 3y ago
    Is it?
    - watwut 3y ago
      No it is not. It has different unique issues with cops lawlessness and abuse of power.
      - midoridensha 3y ago
        They're different, but not that much. In all 3, the cops are definitely NOT working for the citizens, they're working for the people in power and oppressing and brutalizing the citizens. The root causes are a little different, and the targeted groups are a little different, but overall it's pretty similar. In civilized countries, the cops mostly work for the citizens, to keep the peace, and don't brutalize and murder people with impunity. I'd say one big difference is who the people in power are, that the cops are working for: in China/Russia, it's the dictator. In the US, it's really for themselves, and whatever corrupt local leaders they're friends with. In the US, law enforcement really resembles organized crime.
gruez 3y ago
>The flyer, according to the lawyer, named a police officer who lives in the area where the activists were arrested and alleged he was connected to the killing in January of forest defender Manuel “Tortuguita” Terán during a multi-agency raid on the Atlanta Forest protest encampment. >[...] According to public records, one of the officers named lives in the area where the activists posted flyers. [...] Sounds like they weren't just trying to raise awareness about the killing, they're trying to out the specific officers involved, in the very neighborhood that the officer lived. In other words, they're basically trying to dox them. IANAL but that plausible could be considered "intimidation".
- yokem55 3y ago
  It seems to me that posting flyers on mailboxes on the side of a street, without approaching any other people or or their property is pretty explicitly an excercise in free speech. Especially when describing public information about public officials. Arresting those folks, putting them in solitary confinement, and holding them without bond when they were arrested for a non-violent charge and have no previous criminal record - that is more of an intimidation tactic than any fliers could be.
- l3mure 3y ago
  Sure, sure. Next it'll be "intimidation" to take a picture of an officer's badge -- which they already routinely obscure. There's nothing police hate more than accountability. Pick up that can. > [...] the city of Los Angeles has sued a local journalist and an activist group over the online publication of undercover LAPD officers’ pictures — images the city had itself provided. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-04-06/la-officials-sue-journalist-activist-group-after-accidentally-releasing https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-04-06/la-offic...
- flangola7 3y ago
  "Doxxing" is a meaningless word, legally. I can put anyone's name and street address up on a billboard as long as I didn't aquire it through privileged means (such as if I was a records clerk at their medical clinic). Even the bar to winning civil libel is very high. Putting up the names of public officials who you believe committed evil acts during the course of their pubic duties is extremely well inside the bounds of the first amendment and probably one is the most protected forms of speech there is.
firstlink 3y ago
No bail and solitary confinement as extralegal punishment has been the norm for J6 protestors for over two years now, but no one on HN gives a shit. Now it's happening to people on the left, and suddenly pearls are clutched.
- DoItToMe81 3y ago
  HN is not one person. I gave a shit when it was in Guantanamo, I gave a shit when it was with OWS protestors, I definitely gave a shit when people who peacefully occupied a building were called "insurrectionists" as though they were going to be charged with treason, and I've seen plenty of other people here give a shit in all these cases, too.
  - DanHulton 3y ago
    "Peacefully" is -- if I'm being extremely generous -- debatable, and "a building" is doing a whole lot of lifting.
  - watwut 3y ago
    It was not peaceful.
- 58028641 3y ago
  Comparing Jan 6th to this is ludicrous. There is a difference between insurrection and protests.
- watwut 3y ago
  J6 protesters were treated better then average typical defendants. This are treated worst. These exercised free speech and attempted to inform public about dangerous cops. J6 protests were violent, invaded capitol and attempted to reverse election. They were not imprisoned in their preparatory phase.
  - kevviiinn 3y ago
    Calling J6 a protest feels like a stretch at best and intentionally disingenuous at worst

41 points by l3mure 3y ago

local_crmdgeon 3y ago

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deleted 3y ago
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data-abuse 3y ago
Too bad its not going to reported on by anyone else

pshirshov 3y ago

Oh, that reminds me russia so much.

midoridensha 3y ago
The US is much more similar to Russia and China than most Americans realize.
- runlaszlorun 3y ago
  Is it?
  - watwut 3y ago
    No it is not. It has different unique issues with cops lawlessness and abuse of power.
    - midoridensha 3y ago
      They're different, but not that much. In all 3, the cops are definitely NOT working for the citizens, they're working for the people in power and oppressing and brutalizing the citizens. The root causes are a little different, and the targeted groups are a little different, but overall it's pretty similar. In civilized countries, the cops mostly work for the citizens, to keep the peace, and don't brutalize and murder people with impunity. I'd say one big difference is who the people in power are, that the cops are working for: in China/Russia, it's the dictator. In the US, it's really for themselves, and whatever corrupt local leaders they're friends with. In the US, law enforcement really resembles organized crime.

gruez 3y ago

>The flyer, according to the lawyer, named a police officer who lives in the area where the activists were arrested and alleged he was connected to the killing in January of forest defender Manuel “Tortuguita” Terán during a multi-agency raid on the Atlanta Forest protest encampment. >[...] According to public records, one of the officers named lives in the area where the activists posted flyers. [...] Sounds like they weren't just trying to raise awareness about the killing, they're trying to out the specific officers involved, in the very neighborhood that the officer lived. In other words, they're basically trying to dox them. IANAL but that plausible could be considered "intimidation".

yokem55 3y ago
It seems to me that posting flyers on mailboxes on the side of a street, without approaching any other people or or their property is pretty explicitly an excercise in free speech. Especially when describing public information about public officials. Arresting those folks, putting them in solitary confinement, and holding them without bond when they were arrested for a non-violent charge and have no previous criminal record - that is more of an intimidation tactic than any fliers could be.
l3mure 3y ago
Sure, sure. Next it'll be "intimidation" to take a picture of an officer's badge -- which they already routinely obscure. There's nothing police hate more than accountability. Pick up that can. > [...] the city of Los Angeles has sued a local journalist and an activist group over the online publication of undercover LAPD officers’ pictures — images the city had itself provided. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-04-06/la-officials-sue-journalist-activist-group-after-accidentally-releasing https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-04-06/la-offic...
flangola7 3y ago
"Doxxing" is a meaningless word, legally. I can put anyone's name and street address up on a billboard as long as I didn't aquire it through privileged means (such as if I was a records clerk at their medical clinic). Even the bar to winning civil libel is very high. Putting up the names of public officials who you believe committed evil acts during the course of their pubic duties is extremely well inside the bounds of the first amendment and probably one is the most protected forms of speech there is.

firstlink 3y ago

No bail and solitary confinement as extralegal punishment has been the norm for J6 protestors for over two years now, but no one on HN gives a shit. Now it's happening to people on the left, and suddenly pearls are clutched.

DoItToMe81 3y ago
HN is not one person. I gave a shit when it was in Guantanamo, I gave a shit when it was with OWS protestors, I definitely gave a shit when people who peacefully occupied a building were called "insurrectionists" as though they were going to be charged with treason, and I've seen plenty of other people here give a shit in all these cases, too.
- DanHulton 3y ago
  "Peacefully" is -- if I'm being extremely generous -- debatable, and "a building" is doing a whole lot of lifting.
- watwut 3y ago
  It was not peaceful.
58028641 3y ago
Comparing Jan 6th to this is ludicrous. There is a difference between insurrection and protests.
watwut 3y ago
J6 protesters were treated better then average typical defendants. This are treated worst. These exercised free speech and attempted to inform public about dangerous cops. J6 protests were violent, invaded capitol and attempted to reverse election. They were not imprisoned in their preparatory phase.
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  Calling J6 a protest feels like a stretch at best and intentionally disingenuous at worst