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the very first time I tried fsd beta the car immediately tried to crash me into a lightpole. it was an unsettling experience. still the best car I've ever owned

by gfody 3y ago

the very first time I tried fsd beta the car immediately tried to crash me into a lightpole. it was an unsettling experience. still the best car I've ever owned by far.

jiggawatts 3y ago
I love these Tesla reviews, which sound like a battered wife: "Sure, he slaps me around sometimes, but he's still the love of my life."
- EngManagerIsMe 3y ago
  Right? I sold mine, getting rid of that car was a huge sigh of relief. From parts shortages to labor shortages to weird manufacturing defects that no one could correct to the "overpromise and underdeliver" attitude of the company... The car was cool for a few years, and then it became deeply irritating. We got a Volvo, and holy shit the Volvo had better tech.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    I remember years ago seeing videos/posts about how much safer the Tesla was as far as build qualities. I don't know if those are still there, but surely they have been watered down with all of the software so the overall rating of the car is much less.
- hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
  That's the nature on fanboyism. I met an apple fanboy recently. His thing was that apple is amazing because they care the most about user experience, the design is so amazing, and it's so much better than anything else! After he talked at length about how everything about apple is great, I said that I'd learned that apple made iphones slow on purpose 3 years in and when caught said it was about saving battery. I said that's not a good user experience to me, if the phone becomes slow after 3 years. He told me that _his own iphone_ is going thru that, and he still hadn't time to buy a new one but he was going to, but it was great because it was a conscious design choice by apple. These people are just brainwashed by a brand.
  - FabHK 3y ago
    Your misrepresentation of the issue reeks of ideological fanboyism itself. As the battery ages, running at peak power can lead to random shutdowns/restarts. Apple chose to throttle the devices (which in most use cases is basically imperceptible) to avoid random shutdowns of the device, which in my view is indeed a better user experience. I have seen no indication that competing phones do not suffer the same issue. The notion that Apple deliberately hobbled their devices to reduce their lifetime in order to encourage sales is ludicrous; iPhones hold their resale value far better than other phones. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208387 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208387 https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/21/iphone-trade-in-value/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/21/iphone-trade-in-value/
    - hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
      > Your misrepresentation of the issue reeks of ideological fanboyism itself. What am I a fanboy of?
- strken 3y ago
  In fairness, if the problem is only with the self-driving, you can circumvent that by not using it. "He's a good dog, but he's completely uncontrollable if you take him to the beach because he tries to swim straight into the sea": well, if you don't go to the beach there's no problem.
  - svachalek 3y ago
    It's a $15000 product. There's nothing fair about saying "just don't use it". That's not even a valid excuse for when your $2 flashlight doesn't make light.
  - rodgerd 3y ago
    > In fairness, if the problem is only with the self-driving, you can circumvent that by not using i I wasn't aware that I could disable FSD for Tesla owners when they're using the roads in my city. Could you point to that feature, please?
    - dylan604 3y ago
      Maybe that's one of the things you can get in the Nokia chassis hacking device floating around?
    - strken 3y ago
      The question there is whether Tesla owners are more likely to kill you than other drivers. I have no data on it.
- NegativeK 3y ago
  Unlike an abusive spouse, Tesla's dangerous features are opt in. I love my Tesla. I think FSD is a horseshit scam with some neat tech that's nowhere near ready for the public. Fortunately, I don't pay for it, so it doesn't affect what I do with my car. I do find it incredibly frustrating that the vast majority of Tesla conversations devolve into screaming matches between people who are rabidly pro or rabidly con, with both sides doing a pretty poor job of representing the truth. And those in the middle generally wander off to do something far more productive literally anywhere else on the internet.
  - moffkalast 3y ago
    Nuance in an internet argument? Well I never!
    - ben0x539 3y ago
      Surely nuance doesn't always make for a better argument!
  - keyle 3y ago
    > I do find it incredibly frustrating that the vast majority of Tesla conversations devolve into screaming matches between people who are rabidly pro or rabidly con, with both sides doing a pretty poor job of representing the truth They sold it as autopilot. If you market something to do X and it does Y, you're bound to get people upset. Especially when it costs a chunk of the moon.
    - burnished 3y ago
      The people being upset don't seem to be the same as the people owning the Tesla's though? Just gauging from HN discussions, the comments with the most moral outrage seem to be coming from a place of pure principle. Edit: I scroll down and the first thing I see is a first person account of some one having sold theirs after disliking the overall experience, turning white. Welp, guess this is an opinion I should reflect on.
    - keldaris 3y ago

by gfody 3y ago

the very first time I tried fsd beta the car immediately tried to crash me into a lightpole. it was an unsettling experience. still the best car I've ever owned by far.

jiggawatts 3y ago

I love these Tesla reviews, which sound like a battered wife: "Sure, he slaps me around sometimes, but he's still the love of my life."

EngManagerIsMe 3y ago
Right? I sold mine, getting rid of that car was a huge sigh of relief. From parts shortages to labor shortages to weird manufacturing defects that no one could correct to the "overpromise and underdeliver" attitude of the company... The car was cool for a few years, and then it became deeply irritating. We got a Volvo, and holy shit the Volvo had better tech.
- dylan604 3y ago
  I remember years ago seeing videos/posts about how much safer the Tesla was as far as build qualities. I don't know if those are still there, but surely they have been watered down with all of the software so the overall rating of the car is much less.
hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
That's the nature on fanboyism. I met an apple fanboy recently. His thing was that apple is amazing because they care the most about user experience, the design is so amazing, and it's so much better than anything else! After he talked at length about how everything about apple is great, I said that I'd learned that apple made iphones slow on purpose 3 years in and when caught said it was about saving battery. I said that's not a good user experience to me, if the phone becomes slow after 3 years. He told me that _his own iphone_ is going thru that, and he still hadn't time to buy a new one but he was going to, but it was great because it was a conscious design choice by apple. These people are just brainwashed by a brand.
- FabHK 3y ago
  Your misrepresentation of the issue reeks of ideological fanboyism itself. As the battery ages, running at peak power can lead to random shutdowns/restarts. Apple chose to throttle the devices (which in most use cases is basically imperceptible) to avoid random shutdowns of the device, which in my view is indeed a better user experience. I have seen no indication that competing phones do not suffer the same issue. The notion that Apple deliberately hobbled their devices to reduce their lifetime in order to encourage sales is ludicrous; iPhones hold their resale value far better than other phones. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208387 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208387 https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/21/iphone-trade-in-value/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/21/iphone-trade-in-value/
  - hsjqllzlfkf 3y ago
    > Your misrepresentation of the issue reeks of ideological fanboyism itself. What am I a fanboy of?
strken 3y ago
In fairness, if the problem is only with the self-driving, you can circumvent that by not using it. "He's a good dog, but he's completely uncontrollable if you take him to the beach because he tries to swim straight into the sea": well, if you don't go to the beach there's no problem.
- svachalek 3y ago
  It's a $15000 product. There's nothing fair about saying "just don't use it". That's not even a valid excuse for when your $2 flashlight doesn't make light.
- rodgerd 3y ago
  > In fairness, if the problem is only with the self-driving, you can circumvent that by not using i I wasn't aware that I could disable FSD for Tesla owners when they're using the roads in my city. Could you point to that feature, please?
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Maybe that's one of the things you can get in the Nokia chassis hacking device floating around?
  - strken 3y ago
    The question there is whether Tesla owners are more likely to kill you than other drivers. I have no data on it.
NegativeK 3y ago
Unlike an abusive spouse, Tesla's dangerous features are opt in. I love my Tesla. I think FSD is a horseshit scam with some neat tech that's nowhere near ready for the public. Fortunately, I don't pay for it, so it doesn't affect what I do with my car. I do find it incredibly frustrating that the vast majority of Tesla conversations devolve into screaming matches between people who are rabidly pro or rabidly con, with both sides doing a pretty poor job of representing the truth. And those in the middle generally wander off to do something far more productive literally anywhere else on the internet.
- moffkalast 3y ago
  Nuance in an internet argument? Well I never!
  - ben0x539 3y ago
    Surely nuance doesn't always make for a better argument!
- keyle 3y ago
  > I do find it incredibly frustrating that the vast majority of Tesla conversations devolve into screaming matches between people who are rabidly pro or rabidly con, with both sides doing a pretty poor job of representing the truth They sold it as autopilot. If you market something to do X and it does Y, you're bound to get people upset. Especially when it costs a chunk of the moon.
  - burnished 3y ago
    The people being upset don't seem to be the same as the people owning the Tesla's though? Just gauging from HN discussions, the comments with the most moral outrage seem to be coming from a place of pure principle. Edit: I scroll down and the first thing I see is a first person account of some one having sold theirs after disliking the overall experience, turning white. Welp, guess this is an opinion I should reflect on.
  - keldaris 3y ago