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So this was all a plot of the VPN industry? Educating people how to use VPN is a very double-edged sword, because people will also learn that they no longer n

by seydor 4y ago

So this was all a plot of the VPN industry? Educating people how to use VPN is a very double-edged sword, because people will also learn that they no longer need to pay Netflix et al.

themitigating 4y ago
No, it's Christian facism or were you joking?
- lolinder 4y ago
  > It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else. > ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come. > But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. ... All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword. -- George Orwell, What is Fascism?, 1944 https://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc https://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
  - tomrod 4y ago
    Decry the use of an accurate term, but recognize that the use of the state to control society is what folks are describing as fascism. I'd argue in Utah it's just plain Ole theocracy.
    - lolinder 4y ago
      > the use of the state to control society is what folks are describing as fascism The vast majority of people who casually throw around the word "fascist" are very happy to have a large, interventionist state that controls society. All "fascist" seems to mean here is that the interventions chosen don't align with the speaker's values. > I'd argue in Utah it's just plain Ole theocracy. I can definitely go for theocracy as an accurate description.
      - tomrod 4y ago
        > The vast majority of people who casually throw around the word "fascist" are very happy to have a large, interventionist state that controls society. All "fascist" seems to mean here is that the interventions chosen don't align with the speaker's values. Respectfully, I think this is overly reductionist. Words have meanings, and in many cases I believe "fascism" to be the appropriate classification for a number of hard-right moves in recent years, such as womens health rights and restrictions among other political bombs.
        lolinder 4y ago
        Respectfully, equating the belief that abortion is murder with the belief that slaughtering Jews isn't murder is completely counterproductive. Words have meanings, and this isn't it.

by seydor 4y ago

So this was all a plot of the VPN industry? Educating people how to use VPN is a very double-edged sword, because people will also learn that they no longer need to pay Netflix et al.

themitigating 4y ago

No, it's Christian facism or were you joking?

lolinder 4y ago
> It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else. > ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come. > But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. ... All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword. -- George Orwell, What is Fascism?, 1944 https://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc https://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
- tomrod 4y ago
  Decry the use of an accurate term, but recognize that the use of the state to control society is what folks are describing as fascism. I'd argue in Utah it's just plain Ole theocracy.
  - lolinder 4y ago
    > the use of the state to control society is what folks are describing as fascism The vast majority of people who casually throw around the word "fascist" are very happy to have a large, interventionist state that controls society. All "fascist" seems to mean here is that the interventions chosen don't align with the speaker's values. > I'd argue in Utah it's just plain Ole theocracy. I can definitely go for theocracy as an accurate description.
    - tomrod 4y ago
      > The vast majority of people who casually throw around the word "fascist" are very happy to have a large, interventionist state that controls society. All "fascist" seems to mean here is that the interventions chosen don't align with the speaker's values. Respectfully, I think this is overly reductionist. Words have meanings, and in many cases I believe "fascism" to be the appropriate classification for a number of hard-right moves in recent years, such as womens health rights and restrictions among other political bombs.
      - lolinder 4y ago
        Respectfully, equating the belief that abortion is murder with the belief that slaughtering Jews isn't murder is completely counterproductive. Words have meanings, and this isn't it.