Thanks for the ref. I've seen this precise thesis elsewhere (have to dig it up) and both make a completely persuasive case of centrality of energy, mainly hydro

Thanks for the ref. I've seen this precise thesis elsewhere (have to dig it up) and both make a completely persuasive case of centrality of energy, mainly hydrocarbons, to basically everything. (In the video below) Hagens also introduces the credit side of the equation (which is perfectly topical for this subthread). What is interesting to me is how ignorance of the actual issue -- our civilization now depends on continual growth that we can not sustain -- shapes the discourse of alternatives to global regime du jour (with the so-called multi-polar model as the 'solution'). This would be nothing more than rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. No one is discussing alternatives that address the credit-interest-growth regime. This is the 'sacrosanct' dimension of the problem, and no one in polite society wants to touch it, anywhere. The Human Predicament, Nate Hagens (57m) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzLkdr7UIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNzLkdr7UIU