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Funny story if true. But honestly, the whole "Russian vodka bears blyat" stuff is disrespectful (and wrong). Because Russians actually prefer whiskey & brandy!

Funny story if true. But honestly, the whole "Russian vodka bears blyat" stuff is disrespectful (and wrong). Because Russians actually prefer whiskey & brandy!! Also, Russia is not even in the top 15 countries in terms of alcohol consumption. Ukraine is higher, Finland is higher, Ireland is higher. But the worst offender: Russian vodka is not made of potatoes!! They use grains. It's actually the Polish who use potatoes.

baybal2 4y ago
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LastTrain 4y ago
Also, there is absolutely nothing “flat” about Salt Lake City.
- cobaltoxide 4y ago
  It's surrounded by mountains, but the urban part of the city is indeed very flat.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Maybe a decade ago, but there are now over a dozen buildings over 300 feet in downtown SLC[1]. I was there last week; it's not a "big" city by any means, but it's also certainly not flat by any means. Compare this to Buffalo, which is bigger, older, and still has fewer buildings over 300 feet[2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Salt_Lake_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_S... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Buffalo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_B...
    - jjulius 4y ago
      Pretty sure we're talking about ground elevation, not building height.
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        The original context was "flat and squat," so I assumed we were including building height. But it's entirely possible that was wrong!
        jjulius 4y ago
        Fair, I may have missed "squat"!
- jjulius 4y ago
  Huh? The city itself is really flat - I've been through it, and a quick image search confirms as much. There are mountains nearby, but saying "there is absolutely nothing 'flat'" about it is pretty disingenuous.
  - LastTrain 4y ago
    I mean, sure, there are flat parts - as with all cities. But if we are ranking cities by flatness, SLC would be somewhere in the bottom 10 percent. "Flat" is just a horrible descriptor for that city.
- xeromal 4y ago
  I lived in SLC city and it is flat in a similar way a bowl is "flat" The middle valley is very flat with a pretty steady elevation around 4500 ft or so IIRC but nestled between 2 very big mountain ranges and the great salt lake up north. See for yourself https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-nptp/Salt-Lake-City/?center=40.70042%2C-111.88339&zoom=10 https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-nptp/Salt-Lake-City/?c...
juujian 4y ago
The divergence could be because plenty of Russians distill their own liquor
- ComputerGuru 4y ago
  But they didn’t twenty years ago? (Also, Wikipedia shows both recorded and estimated total consumption.)
epolanski 4y ago
> Also, Russia is not even in the top 15 countries in terms of alcohol consumption That depends on which stats you take and for which country. But Russians are always among the top in the world, especially males. Also don't forget in Russia muslims make 14% of the population which lowers the nation averages a lot.
- cpursley 4y ago
  That’s actually a really good point regarding Muslims. In general, it seems like heavy alcohol consumption is a northern peoples trend, no?
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    Alcohol makes you feel warmer.
cobaltoxide 4y ago
Many sources put Russia in the top five for incidence of alcoholism, and the life expectancy of Russian men is famously diminished due to their high intake of alcohol. The life expectancy of Russian women is 13 years longer than for men. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_consumption_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_consumption_in_Russia "A recent study blamed alcohol for more than half the deaths (52%) among Russians aged 15 to 54 from 1990 to 2001.[14] For the same demographic, this compares to 4% of deaths for the rest of the world." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Russia#Alcohol_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Russia#Alcohol_consu... I don't think it's just a stereotype.
- cpursley 4y ago
  2001 was 22 years ago. And some of the worst times in post Soviet Russia (and former union states). Truly hopeless and desperate times. In reality, alcohol consumption there is down significantly despite all the grasping around to hate on them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/01/russian-alcohol-consumption-down-40-since-2003-who https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/01/russian-alcoho...
  - paconbork 4y ago
    In fairness, the original anecdote is about 2002
  - slackwaredragon 4y ago
    I guess it doesn't take long to fall back on old habits when you're in the trenches though. A lot of translated intercepted calls posted at https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia and reports from the front line talk about drunk Russians like it's an epidemic of alchoholism. They also talk about drunk Ukrainians on another one of the podcasts I follow so it's not only the Russians drinking on the front line. That being said, I have a few Russian friends that immigrated years ago to Florida and they're not big drinkers. They were all from well off families though. Kinda like here, I suspect alcoholism follows poverty.
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hunter2_ 4y ago
There's a great Russian restaurant in NYC known for their infused vodkas, and this part of their website sheds some light on the history of vodka in that region: https://www.russiansamovar.com/vodka/ https://www.russiansamovar.com/vodka/ Not doubting you in the slightest, just adding some flavor.
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maximinus_thrax 4y ago
Maybe not in alcohol consumption. But in alcoholism, Russia takes an honorable second place after Hungary: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholis...
- reportgunner 4y ago
  Haha and USA female alcoholism beats Russia.
_a_a_a_ 4y ago
An article a few years ago in New Scientist said that alcohol consumption was nothing exceptional in Russia but the way it was consumed was contributing to excess deaths. Something to do with fall-on benders called Zapoi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapoy More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita#Comprehensive_list_with_data_from_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_c... Germany #6 with 13.4 litres/year pure alcohol equivalent Russia #18 with 11.7 UK at #25 with 11.4 united states at #46 with 9.8 china at #83 with 7.2
pengaru 4y ago
I dunno man. Unless I'm misremembering the show, there's a pretty good video record of Anthony Bourdain constantly being served Vodka like it's water in Russia. The impression I got was that they just consume a lot of strong booze, which happens to be vodka due to being the cheap default, not that it's their preferred drink. Whiskey and such is aged costly stuff, isn't vodka much cheaper to bring to market?
- dylan604 4y ago
  vodkas and rum. in the recentish boon in craft whiskey makers, they seem to all come out with a vodka and/or rum. makes sense though seeing as your first real whiskey product is going to be in a barrel for 8 years. i could see lots of investors wanting some sort of return before then, so faster liquors are made in the mean time.
- cpursley 4y ago
  It’s a tv show. They play up stereotypes.
- ggm 4y ago
  You watched a show -No single moment of that was 'candid' in the sense of 'the participants did not know they were being filmed' -And it was if not scripted, certainly constructed. Bourdain could have gone to visit vegan monks who only drank lemonade. It would have been as entertaining and 'candid' and 'real' No disrespect to the dead, but it's not evidence, its a show

baybal2 4y ago

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LastTrain 4y ago

Also, there is absolutely nothing “flat” about Salt Lake City.

cobaltoxide 4y ago
It's surrounded by mountains, but the urban part of the city is indeed very flat.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Maybe a decade ago, but there are now over a dozen buildings over 300 feet in downtown SLC[1]. I was there last week; it's not a "big" city by any means, but it's also certainly not flat by any means. Compare this to Buffalo, which is bigger, older, and still has fewer buildings over 300 feet[2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Salt_Lake_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_S... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Buffalo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_B...
  - jjulius 4y ago
    Pretty sure we're talking about ground elevation, not building height.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      The original context was "flat and squat," so I assumed we were including building height. But it's entirely possible that was wrong!
      - jjulius 4y ago
        Fair, I may have missed "squat"!
jjulius 4y ago
Huh? The city itself is really flat - I've been through it, and a quick image search confirms as much. There are mountains nearby, but saying "there is absolutely nothing 'flat'" about it is pretty disingenuous.
- LastTrain 4y ago
  I mean, sure, there are flat parts - as with all cities. But if we are ranking cities by flatness, SLC would be somewhere in the bottom 10 percent. "Flat" is just a horrible descriptor for that city.
xeromal 4y ago
I lived in SLC city and it is flat in a similar way a bowl is "flat" The middle valley is very flat with a pretty steady elevation around 4500 ft or so IIRC but nestled between 2 very big mountain ranges and the great salt lake up north. See for yourself https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-nptp/Salt-Lake-City/?center=40.70042%2C-111.88339&zoom=10 https://en-us.topographic-map.com/map-nptp/Salt-Lake-City/?c...

juujian 4y ago

The divergence could be because plenty of Russians distill their own liquor

ComputerGuru 4y ago
But they didn’t twenty years ago? (Also, Wikipedia shows both recorded and estimated total consumption.)

epolanski 4y ago

> Also, Russia is not even in the top 15 countries in terms of alcohol consumption That depends on which stats you take and for which country. But Russians are always among the top in the world, especially males. Also don't forget in Russia muslims make 14% of the population which lowers the nation averages a lot.

cpursley 4y ago
That’s actually a really good point regarding Muslims. In general, it seems like heavy alcohol consumption is a northern peoples trend, no?
- hgsgm 4y ago
  Alcohol makes you feel warmer.

cobaltoxide 4y ago

Many sources put Russia in the top five for incidence of alcoholism, and the life expectancy of Russian men is famously diminished due to their high intake of alcohol. The life expectancy of Russian women is 13 years longer than for men. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_consumption_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_consumption_in_Russia "A recent study blamed alcohol for more than half the deaths (52%) among Russians aged 15 to 54 from 1990 to 2001.[14] For the same demographic, this compares to 4% of deaths for the rest of the world." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Russia#Alcohol_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Russia#Alcohol_consu... I don't think it's just a stereotype.

cpursley 4y ago
2001 was 22 years ago. And some of the worst times in post Soviet Russia (and former union states). Truly hopeless and desperate times. In reality, alcohol consumption there is down significantly despite all the grasping around to hate on them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/01/russian-alcohol-consumption-down-40-since-2003-who https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/01/russian-alcoho...
- paconbork 4y ago
  In fairness, the original anecdote is about 2002
- slackwaredragon 4y ago
  I guess it doesn't take long to fall back on old habits when you're in the trenches though. A lot of translated intercepted calls posted at https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia https://www.youtube.com/@insightsfromukraineandrussia and reports from the front line talk about drunk Russians like it's an epidemic of alchoholism. They also talk about drunk Ukrainians on another one of the podcasts I follow so it's not only the Russians drinking on the front line. That being said, I have a few Russian friends that immigrated years ago to Florida and they're not big drinkers. They were all from well off families though. Kinda like here, I suspect alcoholism follows poverty.
- 4y ago

hunter2_ 4y ago

There's a great Russian restaurant in NYC known for their infused vodkas, and this part of their website sheds some light on the history of vodka in that region: https://www.russiansamovar.com/vodka/ https://www.russiansamovar.com/vodka/ Not doubting you in the slightest, just adding some flavor.

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maximinus_thrax 4y ago

Maybe not in alcohol consumption. But in alcoholism, Russia takes an honorable second place after Hungary: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholis...

reportgunner 4y ago
Haha and USA female alcoholism beats Russia.

_a_a_a_ 4y ago

An article a few years ago in New Scientist said that alcohol consumption was nothing exceptional in Russia but the way it was consumed was contributing to excess deaths. Something to do with fall-on benders called Zapoi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapoy More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita#Comprehensive_list_with_data_from_2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_c... Germany #6 with 13.4 litres/year pure alcohol equivalent Russia #18 with 11.7 UK at #25 with 11.4 united states at #46 with 9.8 china at #83 with 7.2

pengaru 4y ago

I dunno man. Unless I'm misremembering the show, there's a pretty good video record of Anthony Bourdain constantly being served Vodka like it's water in Russia. The impression I got was that they just consume a lot of strong booze, which happens to be vodka due to being the cheap default, not that it's their preferred drink. Whiskey and such is aged costly stuff, isn't vodka much cheaper to bring to market?

dylan604 4y ago
vodkas and rum. in the recentish boon in craft whiskey makers, they seem to all come out with a vodka and/or rum. makes sense though seeing as your first real whiskey product is going to be in a barrel for 8 years. i could see lots of investors wanting some sort of return before then, so faster liquors are made in the mean time.
cpursley 4y ago
It’s a tv show. They play up stereotypes.
ggm 4y ago
You watched a show -No single moment of that was 'candid' in the sense of 'the participants did not know they were being filmed' -And it was if not scripted, certainly constructed. Bourdain could have gone to visit vegan monks who only drank lemonade. It would have been as entertaining and 'candid' and 'real' No disrespect to the dead, but it's not evidence, its a show