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I'm just so surprised by how bad politics has become in the USA. It's like they want to have charia law... or Christian law as it were.

Fauntleroy 3y ago
Utah is a remarkably special part of the US, in this regard.
- asdff 3y ago
  There's the landed elite ski crowd in Utah, but I guess they just fly into their timeshare in park city for 5 days a year and don't much care what happens outside that idyllic vacation.
a-user-you-like 3y ago
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- buffington 3y ago
  I can't imagine why, with claims this juicy, you wouldn't share your sources. I'd recommend showing the data, or be prepared to defend these ideas without it.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
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- jp57 3y ago
  This two-post thread is a microcosm of American politics on all issues.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    Glad you can sit above it all with your third wayism while these women suffer.
- themitigating 3y ago
  How does this help people being exploited? Isn't that already illegal?
- loeg 3y ago
  The Utah law doesn't ban porn production.
- sophacles 3y ago
  That's a lot of unbacked claims. How is the age verification an attempt to stop an industry? Where is it stated that that's the goal? How did you decide that most porn workers were sexually abused as children?
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throw_m239339 3y ago
> I'm just so surprised by how bad politics has become in the USA. It's like they want to have charia law... or Christian law as it were. The USA are diverse and laws greatly vary from state to state. Talking about "US politics" when a single state does something is absurd. Furthermore, many European countries like France are about do the same thing with online porn, no later than this year, are you also going to accuse France of wanting to have "charia law"? That's preposterous. France couldn't be further from a very religious country. I'm not saying these kind of laws are efficient at stopping minors from watching online porn, I'm just saying that your characterization of USA as a country is wrong.
- themitigating 3y ago
  Roe v Wade is a good country wide indicator. Trump specifically said he would appoint judges to overturn it during one of the debates. The majority voted for him.
  - ekidd 3y ago
    > The majority voted for him. Just to be precise, the popular vote was 62,984,828 to 65,853,514 in favor of Clinton, with roughly 60% turnout. The majority did not vote for Trump. But that doesn't matter in US presidental elections.
  - downWidOutaFite 3y ago
    The majority did not vote for him. The majority of the "electoral college" did. 2.8 million more people voted for Hillary than Trump.
  - maximinus_thrax 3y ago
    > The majority voted for him. No, we did not. The US president is not elected by majority vote and does not represent the will of the majority. Also, overturning Roe v Wade is hugely unpopular with the majority https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/07/06/majority-of-public-disapproves-of-supreme-courts-decision-to-overturn-roe-v-wade/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/07/06/majority-of-... which is already starting to show at the voting booths.
kypro 3y ago
There's loads of laws defining what permissible sexual behaviour is though? This is only unusual in the sense that generally Western countries are in favour of porn. I think you could make a good argument against the universal availably of porn given its negative effects on the individuals that engage in it and on society as a whole – similar to arguments against drug use or prostitution. I'm not saying I'm in favour of banning porn or anything, just that where we draw the line on what's permissible behaviour between consenting adults seems largely arbitrary and mostly down to cultural factors rather than a fundamental analysis of harm.
- Mistletoe 3y ago
  What are these negative effects on individuals? I often wonder if our lower violent crime rates compared to the past largely come from humans staying in and watching porn and playing video games. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601...
  - cyrux004 3y ago
    there atleast a couple of Ted Talks i saw how consumption of porn is harmful in young adults and kids. I am sure you can find them if you look at it
pengaru 3y ago
> I'm just so surprised by how bad politics has become in the USA. It's like they want to have charia law... or Christian law as it were. There are a lot of Americans who think the country's going to shit because of a lack of religion and morals and think they can MAGA by going hard that direction. It's insanity.
- spacephysics 3y ago
  A good argument can be made that our lack of a unified morality (or at least more unified than today) led to better individual outcomes. Sure there are aspects that needed to progress for a better change, no doubt about it. But without a moral framework, many are either reluctant or ignorant of the extra work involved in making moral choices for oneself, and aiming not to succumb to a fad ideology (this goes for both sides), a false god as it were.
  - hgsgm 3y ago
    Religion is a corrupt moral framework based on a false god.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    Well, they should probably start by having some morals themselves first. Many of the branches of Christianity are straight up scientology-scams only.. for example, what the hell is that “help setting up how much you can afford to donate regularly to church”?! Bishops and whatnot traveling on private jets!? The sad thing is that any sane branch of Christianity should absolutely distance themselves from these lunatics, a bad apple.. yet they don’t.
int_19h 3y ago
If you go far enough right, some people want exactly that, and aren't shy about spelling it out: https://archive.is/2kwW6 https://archive.is/2kwW6

Fauntleroy 3y ago

Utah is a remarkably special part of the US, in this regard.

asdff 3y ago
There's the landed elite ski crowd in Utah, but I guess they just fly into their timeshare in park city for 5 days a year and don't much care what happens outside that idyllic vacation.

a-user-you-like 3y ago

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buffington 3y ago
I can't imagine why, with claims this juicy, you wouldn't share your sources. I'd recommend showing the data, or be prepared to defend these ideas without it.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
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jp57 3y ago
This two-post thread is a microcosm of American politics on all issues.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  Glad you can sit above it all with your third wayism while these women suffer.
themitigating 3y ago
How does this help people being exploited? Isn't that already illegal?
loeg 3y ago
The Utah law doesn't ban porn production.
sophacles 3y ago
That's a lot of unbacked claims. How is the age verification an attempt to stop an industry? Where is it stated that that's the goal? How did you decide that most porn workers were sexually abused as children?

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throw_m239339 3y ago

> I'm just so surprised by how bad politics has become in the USA. It's like they want to have charia law... or Christian law as it were. The USA are diverse and laws greatly vary from state to state. Talking about "US politics" when a single state does something is absurd. Furthermore, many European countries like France are about do the same thing with online porn, no later than this year, are you also going to accuse France of wanting to have "charia law"? That's preposterous. France couldn't be further from a very religious country. I'm not saying these kind of laws are efficient at stopping minors from watching online porn, I'm just saying that your characterization of USA as a country is wrong.

themitigating 3y ago
Roe v Wade is a good country wide indicator. Trump specifically said he would appoint judges to overturn it during one of the debates. The majority voted for him.
- ekidd 3y ago
  > The majority voted for him. Just to be precise, the popular vote was 62,984,828 to 65,853,514 in favor of Clinton, with roughly 60% turnout. The majority did not vote for Trump. But that doesn't matter in US presidental elections.
- downWidOutaFite 3y ago
  The majority did not vote for him. The majority of the "electoral college" did. 2.8 million more people voted for Hillary than Trump.
- maximinus_thrax 3y ago
  > The majority voted for him. No, we did not. The US president is not elected by majority vote and does not represent the will of the majority. Also, overturning Roe v Wade is hugely unpopular with the majority https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/07/06/majority-of-public-disapproves-of-supreme-courts-decision-to-overturn-roe-v-wade/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/07/06/majority-of-... which is already starting to show at the voting booths.

kypro 3y ago

There's loads of laws defining what permissible sexual behaviour is though? This is only unusual in the sense that generally Western countries are in favour of porn. I think you could make a good argument against the universal availably of porn given its negative effects on the individuals that engage in it and on society as a whole – similar to arguments against drug use or prostitution. I'm not saying I'm in favour of banning porn or anything, just that where we draw the line on what's permissible behaviour between consenting adults seems largely arbitrary and mostly down to cultural factors rather than a fundamental analysis of harm.

Mistletoe 3y ago
What are these negative effects on individuals? I often wonder if our lower violent crime rates compared to the past largely come from humans staying in and watching porn and playing video games. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601...
- cyrux004 3y ago
  there atleast a couple of Ted Talks i saw how consumption of porn is harmful in young adults and kids. I am sure you can find them if you look at it

pengaru 3y ago

> I'm just so surprised by how bad politics has become in the USA. It's like they want to have charia law... or Christian law as it were. There are a lot of Americans who think the country's going to shit because of a lack of religion and morals and think they can MAGA by going hard that direction. It's insanity.

spacephysics 3y ago
A good argument can be made that our lack of a unified morality (or at least more unified than today) led to better individual outcomes. Sure there are aspects that needed to progress for a better change, no doubt about it. But without a moral framework, many are either reluctant or ignorant of the extra work involved in making moral choices for oneself, and aiming not to succumb to a fad ideology (this goes for both sides), a false god as it were.
- hgsgm 3y ago
  Religion is a corrupt moral framework based on a false god.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Well, they should probably start by having some morals themselves first. Many of the branches of Christianity are straight up scientology-scams only.. for example, what the hell is that “help setting up how much you can afford to donate regularly to church”?! Bishops and whatnot traveling on private jets!? The sad thing is that any sane branch of Christianity should absolutely distance themselves from these lunatics, a bad apple.. yet they don’t.

int_19h 3y ago

If you go far enough right, some people want exactly that, and aren't shy about spelling it out: https://archive.is/2kwW6 https://archive.is/2kwW6