Very Bad Wizards also have an episode on it if podcasts are more your thing: https://www.verybadwizards.com/175 https://www.verybadwizards.com/175 Nagle discus

Very Bad Wizards also have an episode on it if podcasts are more your thing: https://www.verybadwizards.com/175 https://www.verybadwizards.com/175 Nagle discussion starts at 50:00