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> What changed between 2021 and 2023 that gave them this power? I think it's fairly evident that the rule of law and corporate oversight in the US was greatly

by nawgz 3y ago

> What changed between 2021 and 2023 that gave them this power? I think it's fairly evident that the rule of law and corporate oversight in the US was greatly weakened from 2016-2020, and at the start of 2021 an event some argue was essentially a failed coup occurred, yet the only punishments were issued to commoners and none of the instigators or would-be beneficiaries. Why would corporations not be emboldened at such a sight? I agree otherwise with what you've said, and indeed I am not nearly qualified enough to propose the vehicles to change economic outcomes - but it's clear that the narratives denying corporate profiteering's role in inflation are outdated.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Can you link to a few examples of substantive 'weakening' of the 'rule of law and corporate oversight in the US'?
- meh8881 3y ago
  Net neutrality rules come to mind
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Which parts specifically?
    - nawgz 3y ago
      It is interesting to me to ponder why you carried on an alternate thread instead of the original one which you wished to challenge.
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Almost anyone on HN can see through this type of low effort passive-aggressive commenting. So this makes it even less likely me, or anyone else, well provide a substantive response.
        nawgz 3y ago
        The only low effort passive aggressive posting in this thread is from you - posting gotcha questions that aren’t gotchas and then tucking tail when sources come thru. You already were clearly at 0% probability of a substantive reply. Nice attempt at deflection tho - I see you’re learning from the republicans whose boots you love to lick
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        > The only low effort passive aggressive posting in this thread is from you - posting gotcha questions that aren’t gotchas and then tucking tail when sources come thru. You already were clearly at 0% probability of a substantive reply. Nice attempt at deflection tho - I see you’re learning from the republicans whose boots you love to lick This does not increase your credibility, especially when hiding behind a pseudonym account made in 2020 replying to someone using their real name since 2014 on HN. So it seems like a losing proposition to continue digging a hole. But it's no skin off my back.
        nawgz 3y ago
        Let's see if I have this straight. I post: corporate power is growing. You post: prove it. I prove it. You stop responding about this idea. Then, given an opening when I called you out on it, you have tried to imply: * I am at fault for your lack of "substantive reply" * I am at fault for using a pseudonym * Because you use your "real name", you have street cred I would like you to explain to me why you even bothered asking me to prove the regulatory environment was weakened in the states by Trump, that is obvious. It really makes no sense why you've come in and introduced such a bad faith chain of arguments on a topic you have made absolutely 0 points about.
  - gruez 3y ago
    You mean the thing that people claimed if it were repealed, the internet as we know it would end? Then the thing did get repealed, and nothing really changed?
- nawgz 3y ago
  Sure. [0]: Trump tax cut 35% -> 21%, purely a gift to corporations. They now have more wealth and power. Couple this with the fact Trump continued to reduce IRS funding - and Republicans push back against Biden growing it - corporations gain more power to evade tax, and gain more wealth and power. I could find you a long list of things to this vein, but I would first suggest your head is in the sand if this is new to you. [1]: His daughter and Kushner made hundreds of millions during their time in the Trump administration. Corruption at the top level of the administraton emboldens and enables corruption at other levels of the administration, which leads to corporations having more pressure points to continue their assault on regulatory bodies and powers. [2]: He elected a Supreme Court that is blatantly partisan, undoes prior art despite a complete vacuum of new legislation on those matters, and is undermining the power of all kinds of regulatory agencies. For instance, take the EPA no longer being able to issue environmental regulations. [X]: Some reading you might do well by. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/30/trump-tax-cut-law-investigation-worker-benefits https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/30/trump-tax-cu... [1]: https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/jared-and-ivanka-made-up-to-640-million-in-the-white-house/ https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/cre... [2]: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1103595898/supreme-court-epa-climate-change https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1103595898/supreme-court-epa-... [X]: https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/ https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

by nawgz 3y ago

MichaelZuo 3y ago

Can you link to a few examples of substantive 'weakening' of the 'rule of law and corporate oversight in the US'?

meh8881 3y ago
Net neutrality rules come to mind
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Which parts specifically?
  - nawgz 3y ago
    It is interesting to me to ponder why you carried on an alternate thread instead of the original one which you wished to challenge.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      Almost anyone on HN can see through this type of low effort passive-aggressive commenting. So this makes it even less likely me, or anyone else, well provide a substantive response.
      - nawgz 3y ago
        The only low effort passive aggressive posting in this thread is from you - posting gotcha questions that aren’t gotchas and then tucking tail when sources come thru. You already were clearly at 0% probability of a substantive reply. Nice attempt at deflection tho - I see you’re learning from the republicans whose boots you love to lick
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        > The only low effort passive aggressive posting in this thread is from you - posting gotcha questions that aren’t gotchas and then tucking tail when sources come thru. You already were clearly at 0% probability of a substantive reply. Nice attempt at deflection tho - I see you’re learning from the republicans whose boots you love to lick This does not increase your credibility, especially when hiding behind a pseudonym account made in 2020 replying to someone using their real name since 2014 on HN. So it seems like a losing proposition to continue digging a hole. But it's no skin off my back.
        nawgz 3y ago
        Let's see if I have this straight. I post: corporate power is growing. You post: prove it. I prove it. You stop responding about this idea. Then, given an opening when I called you out on it, you have tried to imply: * I am at fault for your lack of "substantive reply" * I am at fault for using a pseudonym * Because you use your "real name", you have street cred I would like you to explain to me why you even bothered asking me to prove the regulatory environment was weakened in the states by Trump, that is obvious. It really makes no sense why you've come in and introduced such a bad faith chain of arguments on a topic you have made absolutely 0 points about.
- gruez 3y ago
  You mean the thing that people claimed if it were repealed, the internet as we know it would end? Then the thing did get repealed, and nothing really changed?
nawgz 3y ago
Sure. [0]: Trump tax cut 35% -> 21%, purely a gift to corporations. They now have more wealth and power. Couple this with the fact Trump continued to reduce IRS funding - and Republicans push back against Biden growing it - corporations gain more power to evade tax, and gain more wealth and power. I could find you a long list of things to this vein, but I would first suggest your head is in the sand if this is new to you. [1]: His daughter and Kushner made hundreds of millions during their time in the Trump administration. Corruption at the top level of the administraton emboldens and enables corruption at other levels of the administration, which leads to corporations having more pressure points to continue their assault on regulatory bodies and powers. [2]: He elected a Supreme Court that is blatantly partisan, undoes prior art despite a complete vacuum of new legislation on those matters, and is undermining the power of all kinds of regulatory agencies. For instance, take the EPA no longer being able to issue environmental regulations. [X]: Some reading you might do well by. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/30/trump-tax-cut-law-investigation-worker-benefits https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/30/trump-tax-cu... [1]: https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/jared-and-ivanka-made-up-to-640-million-in-the-white-house/ https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/cre... [2]: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1103595898/supreme-court-epa-climate-change https://www.npr.org/2022/06/30/1103595898/supreme-court-epa-... [X]: https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/ https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/