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The point is that if the only alien spacecraft candidates are in the "too far away and fuzzy to positively identify" zone, and then you improve your detection a
by roywiggins 4y ago
The point is that if the only alien spacecraft candidates are in the "too far away and fuzzy to positively identify" zone, and then you improve your detection abilities and all your new candidates are again in that fuzzy zone (which is just further out), one might conclude that there aren't any alien spacecraft.
That is, there are always going to be objects that are too fuzzy to positively identify, no matter how good your sensors are. So you can always find some weird readings at the edge of intelligibility that could be anything. That's why Bigfoot videos are always blurry: clear videos are always not Bigfoot.
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- oldstrangers 4y agoI get the point, but it just doesn't solve anything as much as it just dismisses it. "It's a UFO because its hard to see, if we could see it, we'd know it was a helicopter that moves in 4 dimensions."
- arrrg 4y agoI don’t think you get the point. That UFOs always are outside the identifiable camera range even as that range expands suggests that they are nothing special. It’s actual good (indirect) evidence for UFOs being nothing special.
- stopping 4y agoIt seems telling that as camera and detection equipment has gotten better, presumed "alien" UFO elusiveness has advanced precisely in lockstep: not too much to stop being detected altogether, but not so little as to be definitively identifiable.
- oldstrangers 3y agoWe've actually gotten more UAPs than ever as our detection capabilities have increased. We are picking up more things than ever that we can't explain. You'd think that would be the opposite, implying that previously unknown objects became known with better optics, radar and detection systems, but that's not the case.
- roywiggins 3y agoWell, they're different objects. The lost weather balloon that would have been unidentified before is now identified. You don't hear about those though, since they're boring. The weather balloon that would not be detected at all before can now be detected as a UFO. As the range of sensors expands the LIV probably gets bigger too just because the radius is larger. The more sensitive and numerous the sensors, the more false positives you get.
- George83728 3y agoAs our sensors got better, objects which would previously be UFOs turned into "oh, it's a balloon" and forgotten. Objects that previously wouldn't be visible at all, but are now marginally visible, turn into UFOs.
- oldstrangers 3y agoI don't think you get the point of applying the entirety of the evidence together outside of just saying "well its still blurry, case dismissed." There is hard, credible evidence from reputable eye witnesses. There is hard, credible evidence of these objects moving in a manner that's inconsistent with any known technology we have.
- arrrg 3y agoThat evidence is utterly unconvincing. Please pull yourself out of this mirage and away from falling prey to disinformation.
- oldstrangers 3y agoDisinformation? That would imply we're being intentionally misled about what the objects are. In which case, nothing I've said contradicts that, regardless if it's terrestrial based or otherwise.
- nomel 3y agoI’ve never seen this framed as a disinformation campaign. It seems like the opposite, with all of the agencies now taking it seriously: a “get information” campaign.
- throwaway60607 3y agoIf I was an alien spaceship I'd try to stay just outside the current identification range on purpose.
- oldstrangers 3y agoAlso a reasonable take. If you're sufficiently advanced to cover interstellar distances, avoiding detection (for the most part) is probably trivial in comparison.
- roywiggins 3y agoWhy don't they just stay totally outside detection range, instead?
- tomohelix 3y agoThe same reason why petting zoos exist. The thrill and experience of getting so close to something exotic.
- nomel 3y agoFor some earthly evidence, the smarter the animal, the more it will exhibit “play” behavior. I suspect it’s an unavoidable quirk of evolved intelligence.
- throwaway60607 3y agoTo see as much detail as possible without confirming they are here. Sensors aren't unlimited, aliens would be constrained by the same physics as we are.
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- throwaway60607 3y agoYou don't need to be much more advanced than we are. You only need time - perhaps the alien civilization is millions of years older than ours. That would allow them to use peer-level technology to travel here.
- nomel 3y agoIn other words, uncertainty exists at the edge of certainty.