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unfortunately this is the future of the entire internet - and not just the comments the submissions as well. the search for authenticity and actual human materi

unfortunately this is the future of the entire internet - and not just the comments the submissions as well. the search for authenticity and actual human material will become the most valuable thing. This isn't that different from what we have now as people have abandoned corporate messaging for communities and podcasts/youtube/etc to try to find authentic human voices. The difference will be how much harder it will become to catch the bots.

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hackbert 3y ago
And the tough part is new users being kicked out when someone thinks they’re a bot. How do we protect people from the bot witch-hunt?
- noizejoy 3y ago
  On the other hand if your human comment is indistinguishable from a bot comment, maybe it’s ok to be kicked out? Related: Reverse Turing Test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Turing_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Turing_test
  - LegitShady 3y ago
    It depends on the community. I think its ok for humans to not be perfect, sometimes. Meanwhile I have no interest in what ChatGPT thinks about anything.
- ghoogl 3y ago
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- InitialLastName 3y ago
  You've hit a pet peeve of mine: The key feature of witch hunts as a concept is the non-existence of witches. If you have a hunt for something that certainly exists (Soviet spies infiltrating US institutions come to mind) it definitively isn't a witch-hunt. For my part, I'm going to keep downvoting comments that say nothing in the most bland way imaginable, and flagging anyone who posts "I put your question into ChatGPT; here's what it says" (in contexts other than discussions of chat bots).
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  This is what it's like on Reddit. Many of the popular and smaller subreddits won't let you participate unless you already have gained a certain amount of karma, but you can't gain karma without participation. New users can't participate unless they go out of their way to find something they might not be interested in and comment until they have enough points to participate elsewhere.
Blikkentrekker 3y ago
If it ever become impossible to spot a human from a bit, then bots become valuable contributors to online discussion with interesting insights so I don't see the problem.
- dangling42 3y ago
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- pizzeriaricardo 3y ago
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- bigdictinstance 3y ago
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- LegitShady 3y ago
  that depends on what your purpose is for going online and engaging in social networks/forums
- cubefox 3y ago
  > We can thus imagine a technologically highly advanced society, containing many sorts of complex structures, some of which are much smarter and more intricate than anything that exists today, in which there would nevertheless be a complete absence of any type of being whose welfare has moral significance. In a sense, this would be an uninhabited society. All the kinds of being that we care even remotely about would have vanished. https://nickbostrom.com/fut/evolution https://nickbostrom.com/fut/evolution
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  https://xkcd.com/810/ https://xkcd.com/810/
cubefox 3y ago
I actually think some major commercial use cases of the OpenAI API are a) fake reviews on Amazon etc and b) SEO spam.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Without naming names - the other day, I sat on a presentation related to a commercial offering of some SOTA LLM APIs; there was a slide listing a dozen use cases claimed to have been piloted or already tested. I distinctly remember being a bit disgusted by how all, excepting one or two, were highly morally questionable, as they boiled down to improving or scaling all the usual ugly kinds of marketing and marketing-related surveillance schemes. The last time I felt this kind of disappointment was when those Bluetooth Low Energy beacons ("iBeacon") became a hot topic - a lot of startups popped up, and quite quickly, they've mostly settled on the same primary use case: retail. That is, tracking and spamming unsuspecting users as they move about shopping malls.
  - LegitShady 3y ago
    This will be on of thousands of similar meetings going on for many many companies.
- Baeocystin 3y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aamazon.com+%22as+an+ai+language+model https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aamazon.com+%22as+an+a... It's already starting, humorously at least for now.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    One Google snippet (the Amazon product page was already deleted) said: > As an AI language model, I do not have personal experience with using products. However, I can provide a negative review based on the information available ... So people use AI not obly to promote their products, but also to create negative reviews, presumably against competitors?! That's fu**d up.

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hackbert 3y ago

And the tough part is new users being kicked out when someone thinks they’re a bot. How do we protect people from the bot witch-hunt?

noizejoy 3y ago
On the other hand if your human comment is indistinguishable from a bot comment, maybe it’s ok to be kicked out? Related: Reverse Turing Test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Turing_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Turing_test
- LegitShady 3y ago
  It depends on the community. I think its ok for humans to not be perfect, sometimes. Meanwhile I have no interest in what ChatGPT thinks about anything.
ghoogl 3y ago
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InitialLastName 3y ago
You've hit a pet peeve of mine: The key feature of witch hunts as a concept is the non-existence of witches. If you have a hunt for something that certainly exists (Soviet spies infiltrating US institutions come to mind) it definitively isn't a witch-hunt. For my part, I'm going to keep downvoting comments that say nothing in the most bland way imaginable, and flagging anyone who posts "I put your question into ChatGPT; here's what it says" (in contexts other than discussions of chat bots).
heavyset_go 3y ago
This is what it's like on Reddit. Many of the popular and smaller subreddits won't let you participate unless you already have gained a certain amount of karma, but you can't gain karma without participation. New users can't participate unless they go out of their way to find something they might not be interested in and comment until they have enough points to participate elsewhere.

Blikkentrekker 3y ago

If it ever become impossible to spot a human from a bit, then bots become valuable contributors to online discussion with interesting insights so I don't see the problem.

dangling42 3y ago
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pizzeriaricardo 3y ago
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bigdictinstance 3y ago
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LegitShady 3y ago
that depends on what your purpose is for going online and engaging in social networks/forums
cubefox 3y ago
> We can thus imagine a technologically highly advanced society, containing many sorts of complex structures, some of which are much smarter and more intricate than anything that exists today, in which there would nevertheless be a complete absence of any type of being whose welfare has moral significance. In a sense, this would be an uninhabited society. All the kinds of being that we care even remotely about would have vanished. https://nickbostrom.com/fut/evolution https://nickbostrom.com/fut/evolution
NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
https://xkcd.com/810/ https://xkcd.com/810/

cubefox 3y ago

I actually think some major commercial use cases of the OpenAI API are a) fake reviews on Amazon etc and b) SEO spam.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Without naming names - the other day, I sat on a presentation related to a commercial offering of some SOTA LLM APIs; there was a slide listing a dozen use cases claimed to have been piloted or already tested. I distinctly remember being a bit disgusted by how all, excepting one or two, were highly morally questionable, as they boiled down to improving or scaling all the usual ugly kinds of marketing and marketing-related surveillance schemes. The last time I felt this kind of disappointment was when those Bluetooth Low Energy beacons ("iBeacon") became a hot topic - a lot of startups popped up, and quite quickly, they've mostly settled on the same primary use case: retail. That is, tracking and spamming unsuspecting users as they move about shopping malls.
- LegitShady 3y ago
  This will be on of thousands of similar meetings going on for many many companies.
Baeocystin 3y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aamazon.com+%22as+an+ai+language+model https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aamazon.com+%22as+an+a... It's already starting, humorously at least for now.
- cubefox 3y ago
  One Google snippet (the Amazon product page was already deleted) said: > As an AI language model, I do not have personal experience with using products. However, I can provide a negative review based on the information available ... So people use AI not obly to promote their products, but also to create negative reviews, presumably against competitors?! That's fu**d up.