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Frankly I think the problem is more like this - 1. Get people to change their lifestyles to the downtown lifestyle in which you don't own a home, you don't do

by throwaway22032 3y ago

Frankly I think the problem is more like this - 1. Get people to change their lifestyles to the downtown lifestyle in which you don't own a home, you don't do significant DIY / outdoor hobbies etc, you don't often leave a 10ish mile radius of your home except for holidays. Everything in the "fuck cars" movement seems to stem from that. I live in London and the public transport network works fantastically for the "metropolitan lifestyle". But that's not what I want to limit my life to. If push came to shove and I had to decide whether I wanted a house with a garden, kids, hobbies that require transporting relatively large items, etc, I'd sooner move out of the city than give that up. I love clubs, pubs, makerspaces and the high street as much as the next guy but it's pretty easy to just live out of town and get the train in for that.

oldnetguy 3y ago
I think it's even more than that. There is a movement where you should own nothing. You should not have a house, you should live in a city, everything should be shared and paid for with taxes. I was born in NYC and own my own apartment and I am considered a "Gentrifier" because I bought it and do not rent. I like living in a metropolitan area, but I can see why other's don't.
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  Everything has to be done by someone else. You can't work on your own place, you have to employ someone to do that. Where do they live with their work van? I guess they have to be a business(tm) and rent a warehouse. Oh and their van has to be less than 5 years old, otherwise it's too pollutey. They can just buy a new one, that's fine. Etc etc. It'd be funny if it wasn't actually happening. I have had a pretty charmed life and I still find it really hard to understand the weirdly bookish attitude.
  - maerF0x0 3y ago
    > You can't work on your own place, you have to employ someone to do that Part of this is the taxation and GDP-ification of everything. (not saying go back) for example when we traded housewives for house cleaners + hello fresh + fiverr assistants we got a double whammy of GDP growth (+ for the wife going to work, plus for the employees now doing her previously unaccounted work at a profit). And same story with IRS receivables. (again, not saying send women back home, just pointing out the accounting)
maerF0x0 3y ago
> Everything in the "fuck cars" movement seems to stem from that. Yes, my hobbyist motorcycle track riding, self maintenance etc are massively hampered by apartment living (where they have dozens of rules against the things I expressly want to do like change my own oil). And if I have to take the motorcycle to a mechanic to pay $140 to do a $20 parts and labor job. Suddenly that car free life (garage free life) is costing me $120 more this month.
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  I feel for you man. I'm a fairly intellectual guy, but all of this stuff seems to come from the really bookish people that just spend basically all of their time in academic pursuit. Someone else fixes their plumbing, someone else built their house, someone else drives the bus (imagine them being a bus driver? ridiculous). Anything that involves physical work, not even getting your hands dirty but any kind of practical thing, is someone else's problem. If you don't do any of that then of course you don't need a car, you don't even need to move from your desk. I feel pretty lonely sometimes as someone who tries to straddle both.

oldnetguy 3y ago

I think it's even more than that. There is a movement where you should own nothing. You should not have a house, you should live in a city, everything should be shared and paid for with taxes. I was born in NYC and own my own apartment and I am considered a "Gentrifier" because I bought it and do not rent. I like living in a metropolitan area, but I can see why other's don't.

throwaway22032 3y ago
Everything has to be done by someone else. You can't work on your own place, you have to employ someone to do that. Where do they live with their work van? I guess they have to be a business(tm) and rent a warehouse. Oh and their van has to be less than 5 years old, otherwise it's too pollutey. They can just buy a new one, that's fine. Etc etc. It'd be funny if it wasn't actually happening. I have had a pretty charmed life and I still find it really hard to understand the weirdly bookish attitude.
- maerF0x0 3y ago
  > You can't work on your own place, you have to employ someone to do that Part of this is the taxation and GDP-ification of everything. (not saying go back) for example when we traded housewives for house cleaners + hello fresh + fiverr assistants we got a double whammy of GDP growth (+ for the wife going to work, plus for the employees now doing her previously unaccounted work at a profit). And same story with IRS receivables. (again, not saying send women back home, just pointing out the accounting)

maerF0x0 3y ago

> Everything in the "fuck cars" movement seems to stem from that. Yes, my hobbyist motorcycle track riding, self maintenance etc are massively hampered by apartment living (where they have dozens of rules against the things I expressly want to do like change my own oil). And if I have to take the motorcycle to a mechanic to pay $140 to do a $20 parts and labor job. Suddenly that car free life (garage free life) is costing me $120 more this month.

throwaway22032 3y ago
I feel for you man. I'm a fairly intellectual guy, but all of this stuff seems to come from the really bookish people that just spend basically all of their time in academic pursuit. Someone else fixes their plumbing, someone else built their house, someone else drives the bus (imagine them being a bus driver? ridiculous). Anything that involves physical work, not even getting your hands dirty but any kind of practical thing, is someone else's problem. If you don't do any of that then of course you don't need a car, you don't even need to move from your desk. I feel pretty lonely sometimes as someone who tries to straddle both.