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I think this is a problem best served by scheduled delivery. The CO2 footprint from shared delivery of groceries is quite low. Also, you save time by just picki

I think this is a problem best served by scheduled delivery. The CO2 footprint from shared delivery of groceries is quite low. Also, you save time by just picking them up at the curb or in the lobby. It is one of the few win-win for delivery. For meal pick-up it is mostly a wash because it is 1:1 too much. But for scheduled delivery, that math is changed. We need to think of some of these systems more like mail delivery and less like instant delivery on demand.

maerF0x0 3y ago
But there's 100 micro losses to that choice. It's a pain to order few items (and delivery cost amortizes across more items, or is not free). At least my grocery, maybe most, charge more per item as a hidden fee You dont get to pick the produce/items and store employees do not give a shit. You have to remain home for a delivery window instead of start/stopping at exactly your choice of time . The hard thing is that every substitute has many tradeoffs and many people are already living their optimized choice of tradeoffs that they can determine for themselves without forcing others to make a suboptimal personal choice in sacrifice for distribute good A lot of social good choices look like "You sacrifice $1 so that 200 people can have a penny more" It's a tough sell because usually the people paying receive far less than they receive back from social good. Yes its "on average" beneficial, but not to the one who's account is being raided.
- snarf21 3y ago
  I agree they are all choices and all have trade-offs. I was specifically speaking to the pain point of groceries on mass transit. You still have a "someone's else's schedule" problem on transit because when you want to go may not align with transit. I'd rather hang at home than on a platform with bags and bags of groceries. I'm with you on picking your battles. You have to decide where your pain points are and where your conveniences are.
throwaway22032 3y ago
This is a tremendous pain in the arse compared to having a car. Really, it is. Right now it's 10pm in the UK and I have some free time. I can jump on the bus and go and buy my groceries for tomorrow, or in the car and for the next week, or the next month. I could schedule a delivery for... when? Guess when I'm in the house ahead of time and stay in the house? That's literally the opposite of the metropolitan lifestyle I signed up for by living here. The same applies to basically all of the "solutions" to cars. Trains - oh, it's cheap, just book it in advance! Etc etc. It adds a ton of friction to every day life.

maerF0x0 3y ago

But there's 100 micro losses to that choice. It's a pain to order few items (and delivery cost amortizes across more items, or is not free). At least my grocery, maybe most, charge more per item as a hidden fee You dont get to pick the produce/items and store employees do not give a shit. You have to remain home for a delivery window instead of start/stopping at exactly your choice of time . The hard thing is that every substitute has many tradeoffs and many people are already living their optimized choice of tradeoffs that they can determine for themselves without forcing others to make a suboptimal personal choice in sacrifice for distribute good A lot of social good choices look like "You sacrifice $1 so that 200 people can have a penny more" It's a tough sell because usually the people paying receive far less than they receive back from social good. Yes its "on average" beneficial, but not to the one who's account is being raided.

snarf21 3y ago
I agree they are all choices and all have trade-offs. I was specifically speaking to the pain point of groceries on mass transit. You still have a "someone's else's schedule" problem on transit because when you want to go may not align with transit. I'd rather hang at home than on a platform with bags and bags of groceries. I'm with you on picking your battles. You have to decide where your pain points are and where your conveniences are.

throwaway22032 3y ago

This is a tremendous pain in the arse compared to having a car. Really, it is. Right now it's 10pm in the UK and I have some free time. I can jump on the bus and go and buy my groceries for tomorrow, or in the car and for the next week, or the next month. I could schedule a delivery for... when? Guess when I'm in the house ahead of time and stay in the house? That's literally the opposite of the metropolitan lifestyle I signed up for by living here. The same applies to basically all of the "solutions" to cars. Trains - oh, it's cheap, just book it in advance! Etc etc. It adds a ton of friction to every day life.