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IOW nothing I said was wrong.
by mannerheim 3y ago
IOW nothing I said was wrong.
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago> Maybe you should have gone to China last year or the year before to enjoy the authentic Chinese experience of living in a cage without food because grocery shopping was verboten. That's the bailey, the wide-ranging generalization about China as dystopian hellhole that you want to make. When you get pushback, you retreat to the defensible motte of: Well, there were some lockdowns for limited time periods in some places in China. The second the coast is clear, you go back to occupying the bailey. Motte-and-bailey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
- mannerheim 3y agoAnd? Was there anything I said that was strictly wrong?
- DiogenesKynikos 3y agoYes. The "authentic Chinese experience" is not living in a cage without food. The "authentic Chinese experience" is living in a massive, bustling city with great cuisine, terrible traffic jams and awesome public transit.
- mannerheim 3y agoAh, the videos of Shanghai I saw on Weibo last year must have been part of a CIA psyop, then.
- DiogenesKynikos 3y agoThat's an extreme outlier within China, and it was for a limited period of time. People were not kept in cages: they lived in their apartments. It was difficult to order food at first, but people managed, and the initial supply problems were alleviated.
- mannerheim 3y agoTruly their experience must have been an inauthentic one, then. > People were not kept in cages What a hilarious nitpick at an obvious turn of phrase. Do you think I actually meant to say people were literally kept in little cells with bars?
- DiogenesKynikos 3y agoEverything you said was ridiculous hyperbole. That's not a "nitpick." You took the most extreme thing that ever happened anywhere in China during the pandemic, wildly exaggerated it, and then presented it as normal life in China.
- mannerheim 3y agoI said it was the authentic Chinese experience. Would you say the twenty some million denizens of Shanghai had an inauthentic experience?
- DiogenesKynikos 3y agoThe lockdown was a difficult but highly unusual event. However, it also wasn't nearly as extreme as you describe: people didn't live in cages and they didn't starve.