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"it just seems to understand" : Does stockfish "understand" chess, or does it just "seem to understand" chess ? For all practical purposes and intent, this do

by bsaul 3y ago

"it just seems to understand" : Does stockfish "understand" chess, or does it just "seem to understand" chess ? For all practical purposes and intent, this doesn't make much difference.

riffraff 3y ago
yes, for all practical purposes stockfish understands chess. For most practical purposes ChatGPT understands how to string tokens together. But in AGI, G is the important bit, and neither Stockfish nor ChatGPT have demonstrated general understanding of the world.
- bsaul 3y ago
  i think you're conflating being self-conscious, and being intelligent. In AGI , A is also very important. A universal oracle stuck in a machine, able to correctly predict anything and answer all questions, but still having no "desire" or "will" or consciousness, would be an AGI ( imho )
  - riffraff 3y ago
    maybe I am, but I would agree with the universal oracle being generally intelligent, I simply don't think our current tools are like that. E.g. consider this exchange with chatgpt > hey assistant, can you provide me with a link to learn about LLMs? > Certainly! LLM stands for Master of Laws, which is a postgraduate degree in law. Here is a link to a website that provides information about LLM programs, including what they entail and how to apply: > https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx > I hope you find this helpful! Let me know if you have any further questions. > that is not a real link, can you provide another? > I apologize for that mistake. Here is the correct link: > https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx > Please let me know if you have any further questions or if there is anything else I can help you with. ChatGPT makes up a URL, twice. Does it understand URLs? Does it understand that the URL is wrong? I don't think it does, and I don't think it requires consciousness to do this interaction in a sane way. Still this does not mean it's useless, it's super useful!

by bsaul 3y ago

"it just seems to understand" : Does stockfish "understand" chess, or does it just "seem to understand" chess ? For all practical purposes and intent, this doesn't make much difference.

riffraff 3y ago

yes, for all practical purposes stockfish understands chess. For most practical purposes ChatGPT understands how to string tokens together. But in AGI, G is the important bit, and neither Stockfish nor ChatGPT have demonstrated general understanding of the world.

bsaul 3y ago
i think you're conflating being self-conscious, and being intelligent. In AGI , A is also very important. A universal oracle stuck in a machine, able to correctly predict anything and answer all questions, but still having no "desire" or "will" or consciousness, would be an AGI ( imho )
- riffraff 3y ago
  maybe I am, but I would agree with the universal oracle being generally intelligent, I simply don't think our current tools are like that. E.g. consider this exchange with chatgpt > hey assistant, can you provide me with a link to learn about LLMs? > Certainly! LLM stands for Master of Laws, which is a postgraduate degree in law. Here is a link to a website that provides information about LLM programs, including what they entail and how to apply: > https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx > I hope you find this helpful! Let me know if you have any further questions. > that is not a real link, can you provide another? > I apologize for that mistake. Here is the correct link: > https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx https://www.llmstudy.com/what-is-an-llm/what-is-an-llm-.aspx > Please let me know if you have any further questions or if there is anything else I can help you with. ChatGPT makes up a URL, twice. Does it understand URLs? Does it understand that the URL is wrong? I don't think it does, and I don't think it requires consciousness to do this interaction in a sane way. Still this does not mean it's useless, it's super useful!