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Sorry but this comment is just totally wrong. Look into weapons exports that applied to cryptography, google providing android to Huawei, etc. etc. etc. etc. i

Sorry but this comment is just totally wrong. Look into weapons exports that applied to cryptography, google providing android to Huawei, etc. etc. etc. etc. i mean jeez you don't have to look far for counterpoints to what you're saying

generalizations 3y ago
Yeah, they tried to limit crypto exports. Remember that munitions t-shirt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars#/media/File:Munitions_T-shirt_(front).jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars#/media/File:Muniti... You can put any regulations you want on the books - the point is that enforcing them can become laughably infeasible.
AmericanChopper 3y ago
How can people (especially on this forum) know that crypto export controls existed, but not know that they were struck down for violating 1A?… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
- snapcaster 3y ago
  I guess we maybe differ here on what would constitute success for suppression. I see it as a "success" because the law stood for so long despite being pretty apparently unconstitutional. It is fair to see it as a failure since it eventually was overturned. Maybe the crux here is I probably agree with you that permanent suppression is impossible but temporary is super doable and temporary can be a fairly large fraction of a human lifetime so I still count it
  - AmericanChopper 3y ago
    I guess that’s an interesting way to backpedal without acknowledging how outright wrong your highly dogmatic comment was. There was a time in the past when there could be some merit to where you’ve chosen to move the goalposts. But there is now, and has been for some time, a higher court precedent that invalidates this position.
    - snapcaster 3y ago
      What do you mean? they were banned, the company i was working for almost went under because we were banned from providing any technology to a chinese tech company. That did get reversed but only after almost destroying the company. The android OS was caught up in that as well. How are these not suppressions?

generalizations 3y ago

Yeah, they tried to limit crypto exports. Remember that munitions t-shirt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars#/media/File:Munitions_T-shirt_(front).jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars#/media/File:Muniti... You can put any regulations you want on the books - the point is that enforcing them can become laughably infeasible.

AmericanChopper 3y ago

How can people (especially on this forum) know that crypto export controls existed, but not know that they were struck down for violating 1A?… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States

snapcaster 3y ago
I guess we maybe differ here on what would constitute success for suppression. I see it as a "success" because the law stood for so long despite being pretty apparently unconstitutional. It is fair to see it as a failure since it eventually was overturned. Maybe the crux here is I probably agree with you that permanent suppression is impossible but temporary is super doable and temporary can be a fairly large fraction of a human lifetime so I still count it
- AmericanChopper 3y ago
  I guess that’s an interesting way to backpedal without acknowledging how outright wrong your highly dogmatic comment was. There was a time in the past when there could be some merit to where you’ve chosen to move the goalposts. But there is now, and has been for some time, a higher court precedent that invalidates this position.
  - snapcaster 3y ago
    What do you mean? they were banned, the company i was working for almost went under because we were banned from providing any technology to a chinese tech company. That did get reversed but only after almost destroying the company. The android OS was caught up in that as well. How are these not suppressions?