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Some tiny border towns were. Long lockdowns of major cities were very rare: Shanghai (2 months), Xi'an (a few weeks), and then the list gets pretty thin. There
by DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
Some tiny border towns were. Long lockdowns of major cities were very rare: Shanghai (2 months), Xi'an (a few weeks), and then the list gets pretty thin. There were sporadic lockdowns, but nothing like what one would imagine if, say, CNN were one's only source of information.
- mannerheim 4y agoIOW nothing I said was wrong.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago> Maybe you should have gone to China last year or the year before to enjoy the authentic Chinese experience of living in a cage without food because grocery shopping was verboten. That's the bailey, the wide-ranging generalization about China as dystopian hellhole that you want to make. When you get pushback, you retreat to the defensible motte of: Well, there were some lockdowns for limited time periods in some places in China. The second the coast is clear, you go back to occupying the bailey. Motte-and-bailey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
- mannerheim 4y agoAnd? Was there anything I said that was strictly wrong?
- DiogenesKynikos 4y agoYes. The "authentic Chinese experience" is not living in a cage without food. The "authentic Chinese experience" is living in a massive, bustling city with great cuisine, terrible traffic jams and awesome public transit.
- mannerheim 4y agoAh, the videos of Shanghai I saw on Weibo last year must have been part of a CIA psyop, then.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y agoThat's an extreme outlier within China, and it was for a limited period of time. People were not kept in cages: they lived in their apartments. It was difficult to order food at first, but people managed, and the initial supply problems were alleviated.
- mannerheim 4y agoTruly their experience must have been an inauthentic one, then. > People were not kept in cages What a hilarious nitpick at an obvious turn of phrase. Do you think I actually meant to say people were literally kept in little cells with bars?
- DiogenesKynikos 4y agoEverything you said was ridiculous hyperbole. That's not a "nitpick." You took the most extreme thing that ever happened anywhere in China during the pandemic, wildly exaggerated it, and then presented it as normal life in China.
- mannerheim 4y agoI said it was the authentic Chinese experience. Would you say the twenty some million denizens of Shanghai had an inauthentic experience?
- DiogenesKynikos 4y agoThe lockdown was a difficult but highly unusual event. However, it also wasn't nearly as extreme as you describe: people didn't live in cages and they didn't starve.